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Chazore said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

At that clock speed for instance, the XSX GPU would be at 15 TF, which is nothing to sneeze at, and a full 64CU GPU at that speed certainly could also threaten Ampere.

Do you think XSX is going to be a far bigger threat to an unreleased GPU line?. I dunno, I'm finding that a bit hard to believe. For the longest time, PC's have managed to outpace console performance, even out the gate, albeit a years time if not 2. I just don't expect the gap to suddenly widen from the console side to PC.

That was an answer to Yuri thinking the GPU of the XSX would be representative for AMD's next gen in terms of performance, and I just pointed out that the PS5 has the same technology inside, but clocked 400 Mhz higher. As a result, taking the clock speeds of the XSX as basis for the RDNA2 performance is a sketchy move to me and should be taking the PS5 clock speed instead as basis since that's much more probable to be around the clock speed of RDNA2 GPUs. And at that clock speed, a big RDNA2 PC GPU should easily outclass a 2080Ti and could be very competitive to the next-gen 3080Ti. 

Captain_Yuri said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

I do think that's a pretty faulty comparison.

The reason? Microsoft has asked for severely clocked down GPU parts to address potential heat issues, RROD anyone? On the other hand, the GPU in the PS5 is much smaller, but also runs at much higher speed. Since both are the same architecture, you should at the very least take the XSX GPU and take the PS5 clock speed to determine potential raw performance of a big(ish) RDNA2. At that clock speed for instance, the XSX GPU would be at 15 TF, which is nothing to sneeze at, and a full 64CU GPU at that speed certainly could also threaten Ampere.

"severely clocked down GPU parts"

Do we know this for sure cause I wouldn't call 1.825GHz severely clocked down. If anything, it's a pretty good base clock. But we will see how it performs since increasing the frequency might sound great on paper but the performance you get back isn't proportional.

When the PS5 is over 400Mhz faster, then 1825 Mhz sound more like a mobile version than base clock. I expect the base clock to be closer to 2 Ghz then just 1825 Mhz, 1900 sounds more like the minimum base clock to me.