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The_Liquid_Laser said:
sales2099 said:

You under estimate humans not wanting to settle at their hobbies. Why get the last gen version when there’s a shiny upgraded version available? Same reason why people buy cosmetics in games like fortnight. Why play the exact same game for the same fun as everyone else when you can look accomplished and not-poor with $20 worth of cosmetics?

If people have the means and care about their experience being optimal, they will upgrade. And if they don’t care, that’s what the current gen version is for.

Sounds like your position is one of idealism and not realism. You could have games like Killzone Shadowfall or Forza gen launch xclusives that are also the worst reviewed in the series. Also Ryse and Knack, their metacritic speaks for itself. Or you can go for critical success with high quality cross gen. It’s only the launch, plenty of years ahead for pushing potential. I see the positives :)

Microsoft screwed up their launch with the XB1 and it cost them for the whole generation.  In contrast, with the XBox360 they launched earlier and at a lower price than the PS3.  Their stronger launch helped them a lot during Generation 7.  The launch is extremely important.

Also, gaming is not about buying hardware upgrades.  Gaming is about games.  Most people buy a new console to play new games.  One might think that at a presentation for a new console, they would actually show off some games that can only be played on a next gen system.  I mean people can praise them for how great their presentation is, and then none of those people actually buy a Series X.  They just get excited for the games and buy them on PS4 or XB1.

If they are going to have a presentation about their new system, then they might actually want to give people a good reason to actually buy the new system.  Hardware upgrade is not a good enough reason.  The minority of people who want an expensive hardware upgrade are mostly PC gamers anyway.  Microsoft needs to show off games that can only be played on its new system.

Gen 7 had a lot of factors. The early start in itself was a genius move. Ps3s launch price and slow start. RROD slowed the momentum. But I agree, the launch is extremely important. So long as you coordinate a global launch close together, have no hardware problems and have critically acclaimed games on the platform that isn’t on the competition, that’s a great launch. Series X can do that. 

Because while I agree that next gen exclusives are ideal, historically their metas are lower (see previous examples). I’d argue cross gen games still can be system sellers for a simple fact they won’t be on PS5. Brand to brand of one console has a amazing game not on its primary competitor, the last gen version existing is beside the point. 

I don’t know where you been the last few years, but gaming is also about hardware upgrades now. PS4 Pro, Xbox X, Xbox S. “People buy a console to play new games” at launch they are new games. That’s where my point comes in: so you play the new game on last gen tech or new gen tech? If gamers have the means they don’t want to have a less then ideal experience if they can help it. 

Guess this is a culture difference between Ps and Xbox. I’d say Halo Infinite or Forza 8 is a system seller in itself. If people don’t want to get the best console for it MS makes money off the current gen. If those gamers have a PC and play it there...MS gets money from that too. Console gamers that want the best console experience get Series X. You know what they all have in common? None are on PS5. That matters the most end of day. 

If history repeats itself, the metacritic scores will prove my point. You can brag about next gen exclusives all you want but if they have a low 70s metacritic score it will fall on deaf ears. It’s just the launch, no biggie. Nobody mentions Killzone Shadowfall in the same sentence as God of War. 

Last edited by sales2099 - on 02 May 2020

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