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KiigelHeart on 28 April 2020
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Pemalite said:

KiigelHeart said:

Economy will start to grow again but at what cost. When you put out bush fires you don't necessarely see the effects collapsing economy has to life and quality of life. Social security system is not some magical safety net that can prevent all the shit from happening. Especially when our country is in debt already. Most economists are very much worried about where things are headed, and for a good reason. .

When a region is hit by the bushfires.
The community steps in with financial aid... The community donated hundreds of millions of dollars so people could rebuild.

People like myself gave up several months of their life protecting communities.

The Government also stepped in and provided aid so that people could rebuild.

You are right, Social Security isn't a preventative, it was never meant to be a preventative, it is part of the response phase, debt and money isn't as important as human life... Anyone who places money above human life isn't a human being in my opinion.

I worded my post poorly. What I meant was that in your line of work you don't have to deal with people struggling with collapsing economy. I don't know if Australia has even seen a major depression. We have, in the early 90s and I'm scared to even think what this will cause if it's global and happens so quickly.

Nice example about community response to bushfires though. That's how it should be. But depression is something else and community will struggle to donate money to rebuild, with businesses going bankrupt and unemployment rising. It will be rebuilt, but damage to human life will be ugly. Costs of healthcare and education system etc. will have to be reduced which will lead to issues. And as for Finland, it could well be the end of our welfare society or whatever you call it in english. Maybe Australia will be able to cope better, I don't know.

KiigelHeart said:

At his point in many countries it's not about closing things down for a month or two anymore. Finland did it too and we are potentially yet to hit the peak. I'm also not saying everything needs to be opened at once. But continuing this level of lockdown will result in huge economic impact and affect lives. And these lives I'm worried about despite you accusing me of valuing the worth of dollar over a life. Which is insulting by the way.eryone from infection will result in worse.

Finland hasn't taken the same measures as Australia and New Zealand, I did a case study a few weeks ago of another island nation similar in population size and density to New Zealand... And they haven't been as successful.

Let the economic impact happen, let it effect lives... Force the government to step in with measures to support the people and weather the storm.

And yes, you are valuing the dollar over life because you are more worried about the economic impacts rather than peoples health, no that isn't insulting, let's not sugar coat it. - It is exactly what your stance is.

Cool, now you're saying I'm not even a human being and still claim it isn't insulting? Got to say I didn't think this of you.

Anyway, is this really so hard for you to understand, economic impacts have an effect on peoples health. It's pretty obvious you refuse to see this side of the coin. I won't be unemployed if things go south, neither will my wife, but I'm very much concerned about other people around me.

Studies done about early 90s depression effects to human health don't paint a pretty picture. And this will potentially be even worse with COVID-19 lurking around. My stance is, you have to find a balance of protecting others without fucking up the lives of others. It's all about valuing peoples health.

KiigelHeart said:

Good for Australia and New Zealand if you can put all this behind already. But it's too late for many countries and I think we'll be living with COVID-19 for a long time, it can't be erased anymore. And trying to protect everyone from infection will result in worse.

And it's those countries own fault.

If the United States took instant proactive measures, they wouldn't be in the situation they are in, they would instead be looking at the possibility of having defeated the virus and getting back to normalcy.

But their laggard approach and nonchalant way of thinking is what has gotten them into this predicament which could have been entirely avoided. - And let's be realistic here, this isn't the first wide-spread disease the United States has had to deal with, H1N1 was also a "test" they could have learned from, but didn't.

What's your obsession with United States? While I think it's very unlikely this virus could've been defeated even with instant proactive measures, there's plenty of other countries who messed up as well. This wasn't the first wide-spread disease Europe had to deal with either, and things have been just as bad. This hindsight bullshit isn't helping anyone at the moment, there's time for that later, hopefully. Now would be the time to try to avoid a future where we'll be fighting COVID-19 while dealing with economic crisis. How it's done I'm not sure, but months and months of lockdown will lead  to that future.

edit. well fuck it after considering it a while I think I do value money over health.. I risk my own life and health for a lousy paycheck. You got me.

Last edited by KiigelHeart - on 28 April 2020