Pemalite said:
The depression is unavoidable, you cannot sustain economic growth indefinitely, you will have depressions, you will have recessions, it's a part of economic life. Yes it's unavoidable, but things going down like this and so fast will be something different. It will be painful shit for many to be back driving the economic wheel, if they even make it. As far as I know, a large percentage of population dying in WW2 helped to speed up the recovery of economy. But this isn't the same situation anyway and hopefully it won't come to it. And also, death is unavoidable, you cannot sustain life indefinitely, you will have people dying, you will have people born, it's part of life. Sorry, couldn't resist.
The difference is... One infected individual can infect dozens more and they can all potentially infect several dozens more on top of that resulting in exponential increases in infections and thus death rates... My car analogy was just an example of not trying to prevent deaths at all costs. Not a direct comparison to this situation obviously. But you kind a proved what I'm trying to say. You do what you can to limit the casualties, but not ban all traffic because it would lead to many other problems. Also a smallish percentage of infected people will have severe symptoms, and even smaller percentage of infections will be fatal. We can improve healthcare and keep older people and those at risk safe without shutting down the whole country.
We have very different training obviously.. I respond to vehicle accidents, hazmat, structure fires, bush fires, vertical rescue, marine rescue, confined space, restricted space, flood and storm and so much more. I know what firefighters do and we share some responds. I know you don't get to decide who is worth saving, neither do I unless it's a situation where you have no option but to risk killing someone to protect the lives of others. It was just a side notion that sometimes saving someone ends up being not worth it. I also know some people who were able to turn their lives around.. but unfortunately I know countless examples where things didin't end up so well after saving someone from overdose or assault.
Economy comes second to life. The economy will always be there.
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Economy will start to grow again but at what cost. When you put out bush fires you don't necessarely see the effects collapsing economy has to life and quality of life. Social security system is not some magical safety net that can prevent all the shit from happening. Especially when our country is in debt already. Most economists are very much worried about where things are headed, and for a good reason.
At his point in many countries it's not about closing things down for a month or two anymore. Finland did it too and we are potentially yet to hit the peak. I'm also not saying everything needs to be opened at once. But continuing this level of lockdown will result in huge economic impact and affect lives. And these lives I'm worried about despite you accusing me of valuing the worth of dollar over a life. Which is insulting by the way.
Good for Australia and New Zealand if you can put all this behind already. But it's too late for many countries and I think we'll be living with COVID-19 for a long time, it can't be erased anymore. And trying to protect everyone from infection will result in worse.
