| KiigelHeart said: I'm not defending American approach. Finland has a good social security system and our government has done something similar and managed to slow down the virus significantly. I'm fine with that. But you can't sustain it forever without risking economic crisis and depression. Last time it happened here in early 90s it was brutal. |
The depression is unavoidable, you cannot sustain economic growth indefinitely, you will have depressions, you will have recessions, it's a part of economic life.
The cost impact is temporary, people will be back driving the economic wheels at some point...
But the people who are dead... Are Dead. - And will never contribute to the economy ever ever again.
After World War 2 concluded many countries entered into a depression because... A large percentage of their population was dead, they couldn't come back and re-contribute to the economy.
| KiigelHeart said: And by saying it's not as simple as protecting all life at all costs I mean sometimes you can't save a life because doing so would risk the life of others. And then, traffic kills people each year but you don't ban cars to protect these people. Costs would be too much. |
The difference is... One infected individual can infect dozens more and they can all potentially infect several dozens more on top of that resulting in exponential increases in infections and thus death rates...
It's exponential... Remember the hundreds of thousands of deaths today all originated from one person.
The difference with your car analogy... (And I am a road crash technician!) is that cars are made safer year by year by learning from vehicle accidents... And one person isn't going to be directly attributed to hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Plus... Only a tiny percentage of vehicles will have an accident... And an even smaller percentage of those accidents still will be fatal... And the fatality rates are decreasing every year from improved vehicles, road/infrastructure and us first responders getting better at our jobs with better equipment.
| KiigelHeart said: I'm a cop so I guess I'm also a first responder then. Yes when on duty it's simple, you do what you can to save lives. What sucks though is seeing that life then fuck up or even end the life of others if you know what I mean. Some lives just aren't worth saving.. |
We have very different training obviously.. I respond to vehicle accidents, hazmat, structure fires, bush fires, vertical rescue, marine rescue, confined space, restricted space, flood and storm and so much more.
All lives are worth saving, we don't get to decide who is worth saving and who isn't... Especially when it's just the value of a dollar that is being questioned over life.
I have known individuals who were drug-addicts, they were homeless, abusive... They turned their lives around, went to university, became contributing tax payers. - They were worth saving and investing in.
| KiigelHeart said: Now I'm not sure where I'm going with this :D I guess I'm saying I'd hope that if something similar happens when I'm 70, they won't fuck up the lives of my children and grandchildren in attempt to save my sorry ass. At some point you have to think about economy. We can still protect the elder and others at risk while opening up the economy. edit. Just read this lockdown is estimated to cost 5 billion euros a month for Finland. This is huge..not good. |
Economy comes second to life. The economy will always be there.
The debt is irrelevant, debt isn't always a bad thing either, especially if you are a nation with a sovereign currency... And over time the economy will start to grow again and that debt will be paid off or become such a small fraction of the overall economy that it's redundant anyway.
I actually can't believe I am having a discussion where someone values the worth of a dollar over a life...
The simple reality is... That opening the markets up and letting people get infected and die could potentially result in a larger and longer economic impact than closing things down for a month or two... Australia and New Zealand are starting to return to normal now... Whilst the Americans are potentially yet to hit the peak.
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