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burninmylight on 24 April 2020
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Wyrdness said:
burninmylight said:

OK, then would you kindly list some examples of major retail/AAA games that released, and then later had DLC packs/extensions released that were just as large in size and content as the original game? The closest thing I can think of is Xenoblade 2's Torna: The Golden Country. It also released at 2/3rds the price. I haven't actually played XBC2 yet, and I don't know the full details behind Torna, but I do know that you can buy it completely independent of XBC2, even on cart.

With your idea, the Gen 4 remake would be needlessly locked behind an additional paywall in the form of a completely separate game. Not only would someone have to purchase Sword/Shield to get to the Sinnoh games, but if they purposefully avoided Sword/Shield because it just wasn't appealing, then guess what? They are SOL and now have to trudge through that game just to get to the one they want.

That is completely asinine.

Skyrim Dragonborn, Baldur's Gate Throne of Bhaal, Bloodborne Old Hunters in fact Soulsborne games do this often, Monster Hunter World, Half Life 2: Episode 1 and 2 (even the original HL had Blue Shift and Opposing Force), NSMBU in NSLU, TW3 Blood and Wine etc... It's not a new concept it's been around for decades.

The last part of your post is nothing but ranting tbh if someone didn't find Sw/Sh appealing then it's clear they're not part of the people GF would be aiming for the's also such a concept as adding to title to make increase the appeal the same argument you used here someone else was using against DLC and that a third version would be better well guess what we got DLC.

Not familiar enough with Skyrim and Baldur's Gate to comment on them, but Monster Hunter World: Iceborne doesn't fit the criteria. It added one new area, G-rank, returning monsters from past games and associated weapons and armor with said monsters. That is nowhere near "just as large in size and content as the original game." You can say that the expansion is equivalent to the the "Utlra" version of past games that were essentially base games + expansion packs released as new SKUs, but that is a completely different scenario to releasing the entirety of Gen 4 as Gen 8 DLC in Pokemon.

The Old Hunters added a lot of new gears, weapons and lore to Bloodborne, but how many brand new areas? How many new bosses? Enough that if TOH was released as a brand new game instead of an expansion, it would justify a $50-60 USD price tag? You and I both know the answer is no.

So based on the two examples you listed that I feel qualified to comment on, I'm going to take your others with a huge lump of salt.

The last part of my post wasn't ranting, it was fact. Your idea DOES make an entire separate game into a paywall to get to another game. And if someone doesn't want the first game, why would you make them have to buy and play it, hoping that they'll then drop another wad of cash on the expansion? Imagine another publisher doing this.

SEGA: "HEY KIDS! Want remakes of Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 on your Switch?"

Fans: "YES PLEASE!"

SEGA: "OK, but first you have to purchase Sonic Forces and beat that game to unlock the chance to access those DLC areas!"

Konami: "We heard you guys want classic Contra on the Switch."

Fans: "YES! YES!"

Konami: "Awesome, we're releasing Contra 4... as DLC to our existing Contra game on the Switch, Contra: Rogue Corps. You can buy the expansion anytime, but you'll need to beat the game first just to get to the game you really want."

Here is my rant:

How the hell would you even balance such a thing? in MHW, Iceborne makes sense because it adds a new, harder rank to shoot for. Imagine going through Sinnoh with the team you just beat the Pokemon League with in Galar? Is Game Freak going to scale the max level up to 150 or something? Or are you supposed to just dump all of your Pokemon and items from Galar in a box and pretend like it never happened so you can have a fresh start in the brave new world?

Wyrdness said:

"if someone didn't find Sw/Sh appealing then it's clear they're not part of the people GF would be aiming for"

See, that kind of thinking is why people think all of us Pokemon fans are mindless sheep.