Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

[vivster]

Ka-pi96 said:

vivster said:

Yes, because suddenly no one will need oil anymore and won't pay for it and the oil companies will just keep everything and nobody has oil anymore. Yeah, that sounds totally realistic. Maybe you need to learn what the word "essential" means and then look up what humans will do when something "essential" is on the line.

It's one thing to be a bit worried, but you should listen to yourself. You are predicting war based on unsubstantiated fears. Which is funny, because unsubstantiated fears are the number one cause for wars. But maybe that's exactly what you want.

Dude, would you argue with this guy IRL?

So why are you arguing with him online?

I would prefer IRL because then I could laugh directly in his face instead of my monitor.

John2290 said:

vivster said:

Yes, because suddenly no one will need oil anymore and won't pay for it and the oil companies will just keep everything and nobody has oil anymore. Yeah, that sounds totally realistic. Maybe you need to learn what the word "essential" means and then look up what humans will do when something "essential" is on the line.

It's one thing to be a bit worried, but you should listen to yourself. You are predicting war based on unsubstantiated fears. Which is funny, because unsubstantiated fears are the number one cause for wars. But maybe that's exactly what you want.

There is no unsubstantiated fears, the fears are very reasonable and of course I don't want war, I want this to stop and go back to the way it was but unless something dramatically changes in the next few months, which I hope, wars are set in stone. Will it be total war? Probably not for the moment although ot's a bit wearying to see China so strong and every other nation so utterly weak atm, including the US. You can already see the traces of cyber and information warfare between china and the US, China using this to gain western support.

Is China is structuring for war of some kind, idk, if so does it mean war right now? Not unless they are the aggressor cause no one can go up against them without heavily damaging themselves by doing so. It took two years for the US to hit the middle east last time around in full shows of force, we'll lilely see a similar timeline here unless China pounces with the strength they have now in an effort to win the fight first. Maybe it'll remain somekind of modern cyber and economic fight as it is now or break out into proxy warfare in some type of cold war, that would be a great thing as it would hold of total war and provide a release valve. Idk, but the moment the virus got out of control and we all let the economies break down, the moves to conflict started wheter ya like it or not or wave your hand and say no. 

I don't want war, but at every point in history with sickness and scarcity there has been war, thinking that trend will change now, with more people on the planet than ever is plain ignorance. We're all hoping that something changes to prevent it while doing nothing to adress the festering problem, same thing happened with the virus. Lol, I just had to type China war into google and I'm after reading three articles about China preparing for war withthe samefacts across all three. Looks like that didn't take as long as I thought, China knows what's up and how this always ends. The US likely started preparing for war the moment they declared a drug war on Madurro. This particular one  although it's mostly opinion is talking a lot of sense https://unherd.com/2020/04/china-is-preparing-for-war/ However he is wildly over optimistic that the west should not, now prepare for war even if it means a self full filling prophecy and he has either ignored or is glossing over one crutial aspect of this for some other reason, that you can't pull out of China economically and expect that it won't be taken as an act to hurt China. Can you imagine having a nice life set up with someone in the wilderness and you give them the flu, then they get so mad that thet they start taking their half of the cabin that you both built together, brick by brick while there is a storm on the way? You'd be backed into fighting with that person wheter you wanted to or not. It's really that simple at the heart of it. 

And yes, at some point you can't let that oil sit there and the structures and people in place will fall away causing a huge warfare laiden problem for anyone who needs it. Ya think the oil conpanies are going to pay for essential maintainance or for the oil to be stored out of the goodness of their hearts when it costs them money to do so with no sight of profit? Idk how long that infrastructure can hold within maintainance but it's not the upfront problem if the conpanies involved dissolve. We're already indefinitely loosing, en mass, the palces this oil would end it's journey and the places along the way. Maybe a war economy to get things running would be the most minimal amount of long term harm, not that I want it, but I'm sure people in power are thinking the same way. 

Not sure in what kind of war torn savage country you grew up in but where I come from actual war gets less likely with every year. Globalization is a thing and there is no country that isn't globally connected to everyone else. So there is absolutely zero incentive for any nation to start a war, especially the biggest nations.

Just think about what kind of benefit a country would have from a war against all of the harm and repercussions and then realize that there is absolutely none.