Final Fantasy VII Remake Review Thread - Current 88 Metacritic / 89 Opencritic

[Runa216]

Hynad said:

Runa216 said:

In 50 years, gaming historians are gonna look back and be glad the bloodline of those who love FFXIII all died out between 2020 and 2025.

(In case it wasn't clear, I say this in jest. Still, I don't understand people who like that game)

You don’t understand anyone who like something you don’t.

At your age, I would think you would at least grasp the notion of differing tastes and "to each their own".

But that's just it, as I grow up I get to the point where I fully expect a person to justify their beliefs if their opinions are bad. FFXIII is an objectively bad game, giving the player next to no agency whatsoever with boring combat, a poorly exposited world, and bland characters. There's more depth of character in Jesse in the first hour of FFVII Remake than there is in Lightning throughout all three FFXIII games put together. And the world is fleshed out without...

nevermind, I get it. You don't like being criticized. you don't like someone hating something you like. I actually am far more likely to be lenient with pretty much any other game or movie, but this one is bad bad bad. FFXIII is bad. There are virtually no redeeming factors about it aside from how it looks and sounds pretty. 

I hated GTAIV with a passion, but it's not a bad game. I just don't like it. 

I think Ocarina of Time is the most overrated game of all time, but it's still a fantastic game and a major leap forward in the medium as a whole. 

I still don't understand the hype for Halo, a generic FPS that feels sterile and artificial, but like OOT it has its place in history as the progenitor of good FPS on consoles and was a very well made game. 

There are plenty of games that are good or great that I don't like. I can criticise them, but they have value; I can see and respect opinions that aren't mine all the time, but FFXIII is bad. It didn't hurt me personally, it's just bad. People are allowed to like bad (The transformers movies are bad but I love them), but it's still bad. You need to stop equating my criticism and hatred as some close-minded and blind zealotry. I put a LOT of thought into my hatred of that game and I put a LOT of time into trying to like it because FFIV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XII, and Tactics are among my favourite games of all time (VI being my single fave.) I wanted to like the game, I finished it and its sequel in the hopes that maybe I'd find something good about it because I generally don't like being negative, but it's just bad. 

FFXIII is a bad game, and at this point I'm convinced there will be no convincing me otherwise. I've been investigating and reading and trying to find value in it, but after 11 years nobody has offered a compelling reason to me. People keep saying that the battle system is similar to 12, but that's just objectively, fundamentally wrong. People say the characters are just as good as other FF games, but that's just objectively, fundamentally wrong. They say the world is well developed, and while that is correct, the way it's presented (90% of the story hidden away in an in-game encyclopedia) is objectively, universally agreed to be a poor way of conveying story in a JRPG. It works in Dark Souls because Dark Souls is a fundamentally different game, and yes the genre matters in this regard. What works in one game might not work in another, and this is a perfect example. 

Hell, I loved FFXV, but the last stretch of that game was an arduous, frustrating slog with terrible writing. However, the basic, core gameplay loop and the character development between the main four was stellar. The world, while a little confusing, felt fleshed out and lived-in. the gameplay was linear in terms of plot but open in terms of world. Balance. Fun. FFXV gets away with its terrible late-game writing because the rest of the game works. FFXIII is just one long, linear corridor with little room for exploration or character depth and all the backstory/plot hidden away in the datalogs. 

FFXIII was a bad game with no redeemable qualities from a gameplay, or story perspective. I tried to like it but it was bad. Your statement that "You don’t understand anyone who like something you don’t" is wrong. I understand plenty, just not this one particular example because in all my time writing, gaming, and in school for creative positions, everything told me that everything about FFXIII is just fundamentally wrong. it's not fun, it's not engaging, it doesn't give the player any agency, and the combat mechanics/progression are both linear and restrictive to a fault.