RolStoppable said:
JRPGfan said:

I am not putting equal value on one life and one job, I am telling you that the number of people who are losing their jobs far outpaces the number of people who get confirmed to be infected and on top of that, the number of people who die is even smaller. This is a situation where it's about choosing the least bad option because there's no realistic scenario to have a positive outcome for everyone. Simply put, it's the moral choice of saving the lives of a few at the expense of millions of other people or putting the lives of a few at risk in order to serve the majority of the population.

What needs to be mentioned is that unemployment has risen dramatically despite huge measures by governments. In both Austria and Germany people's jobs are saved by scaling down their work hours to 10% which the employer pays while the state tosses in another ~70% of the regular wage, so people work only 10% of their usual time, but still receive ~80% of their wage. But many businesses had to close shop altogether, so not even such a generous measure could prevent the loss of jobs. Other countries face the same issues.

The projections of some of the so-called experts are silly. Recently I've seen one for the UK where a projection of deaths was scaled down from 500k to 20k. The hunger for news means that people who shouldn't get a word in get news time and that can foster fear, paranoia, panic and hysteria.

Meanwhile, the economy is getting hit hard on a level that is approaching the financial crisis of the late 2000s. Helping the economy is not going to be an instant death sentence for people infected with corona. The measures are going to get adjusted soon because governments will be looking to find a balance between saving lives and keeping countries running.

And your still probably looking at the Tip of the Ice berg, thinking its the whole of it.

Its still accelerateing and growing.
Right now: 135,000 confirmed cases and ~2400 deaths.
3-4 months from now :  ~a few million confirmed cases + 100,000-200,000 deaths (from today, Dr. Fauci estimates).


"people who are losing their jobs far outpaces the number of people who get confirmed to be infected and on top of that, the number of people who die is even smaller."

And? even if 100 people lose their jobs, for every 1 death, thats more than acceptable.

Give it a month or two, and most of those people will find new jobs.
Give it a month or two, most of those dead, wont be comeing back.


"What needs to be mentioned is that unemployment has risen dramatically despite huge measures by governments. In both Austria and Germany people's jobs are saved by scaling down their work hours to 10% which the employer pays while the state tosses in another ~70% of the regular wage, so people work only 10% of their usual time, but still receive ~80% of their wage. But many businesses had to close shop altogether, so not even such a generous measure could prevent the loss of jobs. Other countries face the same issues."

^ yes, jobs will be lost.  Its a good way to try and off-set the worst of it. In denmark we did something simular, so job losses arnt too insane.






The projections of some of the so-called experts are silly. Recently I've seen one for the UK where a projection of deaths was scaled down from 500k to 20k. The hunger for news means that people who shouldn't get a word in get news time and that can foster fear, paranoia, panic and hysteria.

Meanwhile, the economy is getting hit hard on a level that is approaching the financial crisis of the late 2000s. Helping the economy is not going to be an instant death sentence for people infected with corona. The measures are going to get adjusted soon because governments will be looking to find a balance between saving lives and keeping countries running.


^ this is where your logic falls apart.


How many people did the financial crisis kill?  How many survived, but had ruined lunges + kidneys + livers?
Liveing on dialysis doesnt sound fun, or needing to carry around a oxygen tank, because someone was worried about the economical impact of trying to stop spread of a virus. Theres a cost, to just carrying on as if nothing is wrong (in terms of lives (more will die), and interms of liveing (people will survive but have issues because of it).

Ultimately I think its about saveing lives.
Even if liveing standards (economically) might have to drop a slight bit for a periode of time.

I think most are more than willing to do that.