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SvennoJ on 26 March 2020
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John2290 said:
SvennoJ said:

Ah I did not know that, that makes a lot of sense.

Further indications that it's our whole society that is to blame for pandemics being so easily possible nowadays. You don't blame the first person that crashes a car, due to an underlying defect, for bad driving. You recall all the cars and fix the underlying defect. And that's a simple static chance, effecting at most a couple people. The start of a new virus has a very low static chance as well and will keep occurring. It's the way we live that turns it into a pandemic.

Hopefully more awareness to stay home when sick, cover your coughs etc and frequently wash your hands for at least 20 seconds with soap will also have a positive effect on the next flu season. And hopefully the current rise in video conferencing and working from home will reduce future traffic as well. And better regulations how to handle livestock will help as well.

Oh yes you can blame someone when they've drove that car countless times after crashing it.

Now, I fon't blame them pre industrial but ffs, regulate your citizens who are handling livestock and regulate them hard after the Russian flu, Hong kong flu but definetly after Sars, swine flu etc cause you don't have any excuses after that point in modern history. Maybe ban eating live Animals for one. We in the west regulate farmers for this reason, diseases among animals taking out another farmers livestock taking the forefront but this is also a majour reason and it works.

China needs to pay reparations for this shit, maybe wipe debt from the countries they've wronged here and maybe, just maybe they will start regulating livestock and live animal trading this time around. If we are all still standing globally at the end of this. 

I question the validity of that picture, the CDCs take on the Swine flu for example:

The 2009 H1N1 influenza virus (referred to as “swine flu” early on) was first detected in people in the United States in April 2009. This virus was originally referred to as “swine flu” because laboratory testing showed that its gene segments were similar to influenza viruses that were most recently identified in and known to circulate among pigs. CDC believes that this virus resulted from reassortment, a process through which two or more influenza viruses can swap genetic information by infecting a single human or animal host.

In this case, the reassortment appears most likely to have occurred between influenza viruses circulating in North American pig herds and among Eurasian pig herds.

The reassortant influenza viruses found in Hong Kong from 2004 are different from the 2009 H1N1 influenza viruses

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/information_h1n1_virus_qa.htm


But sure, it's easy to point the finger at the country with the highest population.

Blame your own government for not reacting in time to a known threat developing rapidly since Januari. But true, livestock and produce need to be regulated more carefully. Here you can't enter farms if you have no business there, they all have biosecurity signs. Yet still lettuce and other stuff regularly have to be recalled because of E. Coli and Salmonella outbreaks. Meanwhile the US was experiencing outbreaks of the measles again because of anti vaxxers ugh.

Anyway you should watch some documentaries about how livestock is treated in the 'developed' world. It sure lessens you appetite.
https://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/facts-about-the-lives-of-factory-farmed-animals/
1. More than 80 percent of pigs have pneumonia upon slaughter

It's not a surprise new diseases turn up, it's a surprise it doesn't happen more often.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/05/most-meat-producers-use-antibiotics-now-consumers-can-see-how-much/
Our measures to produce 'safer' livestock are helping to create more deadly bugs. It's slowly being addressed at least. What other hidden dangers lurk out there.