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drkohler said:
SvennoJ said:

However a strange severe pneumonia was already circulating in Northern Italy at the end of November.

Nothern Italy has one of the largest, if not the largest, Chinatowns in the world (poulation size basically unknown due to many illegals). This is due to the fact that the italian fashion industry has been taken over by Chinese companies beginning in the mid-eighties. Nowadays, practically the whole manufacturing of "Italian fashion" is done by Chinese in Chinese factories.

Chinese people traveling from/to China to/from Italy happened all the time, so there is no surprise if that included people from the Wuhan region.

Ah I did not know that, that makes a lot of sense.

Further indications that it's our whole society that is to blame for pandemics being so easily possible nowadays. You don't blame the first person that crashes a car, due to an underlying defect, for bad driving. You recall all the cars and fix the underlying defect. And that's a simple static chance, effecting at most a couple people. The start of a new virus has a very low static chance as well and will keep occurring. It's the way we live that turns it into a pandemic.

Hopefully more awareness to stay home when sick, cover your coughs etc and frequently wash your hands for at least 20 seconds with soap will also have a positive effect on the next flu season. And hopefully the current rise in video conferencing and working from home will reduce future traffic as well. And better regulations how to handle livestock will help as well.