last92 said:
vivster said:
I fail to see how your crazy pessimistic attitude is helping anyone. Everyone is doing their best to manage this crisis
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I'm afraid that's not the case, at least in the US and UK.
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As things get tougher, so will those countries. Don't forget people are actually needed and when it comes to save them, people can move mountains. I mean look at the US. Even the biggest rich asshole in the country is employing socialism already.
SvennoJ said:
vivster said:
I fail to see how your crazy pessimistic attitude is helping anyone. Everyone is doing their best to manage this crisis and all you do is basically shit on people's great effort with your doomsday theories. Nothing has gone to shit yet because people are already working together across country lines to keep things running smoothly. I absolutely trust in humanity that when things get tougher, so will the people. The only reason why humanity is still alive on this planet is because of the amazing adaptability of humans and whole societies.
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Is everyone though? The whole "you have to keep living your life" attitude is very dangerous right now. All the math suggests is that extreme measures work, and a difference of only 3 days in implementing them can mean doubling the total cases and deaths.
The biggest shit doesn't hit until 3 or 4 weeks after measures are in place. Up to two weeks to curb the growth then up to 2 weeks again to reach the case load peak. Then another one to two months to get everyone recovered. Then to deal with the after math and preventing more outbreaks.
Yes, humans will adapt, survive, get through this. But the slower we respond the bigger the damage will be, bigger than those of the counter measures. However that last part is what you seem to disagree on. It's difficult to weight the effects of economic recession against loss of life and collapse of the healthcare system. The more infected, the more healthcare workers will get infected as well, the more regular patients will lose out on care. (Chemo therapy has stopped here already)
Economic recession is more easily managed. At least in the first world, nobody has to die of starvation. But dying of anything else that needs hospital care will increase. Food supply is a lot easier to manage than training new doctors etc.
Civilizations have wiped themselves out plenty times before. This won't do it for us, but blindly relying on people will adapt, history isn't showing that.
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Haven't seen any civilizations wipe out themselves recently, i.e. in the past 200 years. You might even say that humanity is too big to fail. My ancestors have survived completely destroyed post war countries with way fewer resources and technology. I trust that we'll be able to handle something that doesn't even come close to that. Sure, it'll suck for a while, but we will rebuild. I mean nobody thinks it's gonna be easy. If humanity has shown me anything is that if a certain need arises, that need will be filled, and if it cannot be filled completely it will regulate itself. And if it looks like people aren't doing enough to fill that need, that just means it's not big enough yet or hasn't reached enough people, which it eventually will. And the best thing, we might even grow stronger from it.
I know I'm doing my best right now and that's all I can do.
