Bofferbrauer2 said:
uran10 said:
I get what you're saying, but I don't believe Biden will go through with any of this. We've been through this song and dance with Obama. He said 1 thing did another, its why progressives don't have any real trust in the system it also doesn't help that if you check the data on exit polls and what the UN says that they're also rigging the vote which again, election integrity is something I'm big on and its a big reason why I would never vote for them. Your record exists and I will vote off of what you've done, not what you're currently saying. My point is simple. I don't like Biden because I cannot trust him. He's a pathological liar and has been on the wrong side of history for the majority of 40 years. Sure Bernie can try to pull him left, but he'll pivot in the general, suppress the vote and lose (unless Trump keeps f*ing up).
Also this sends a message to the democratic party, no matter how much they screw you, no matter how much they trample on you, they will always get your vote. As long as the other guy is "super evil" they can depend on your vote and therefore don't need to give you anything cause you will always vote.
Not voting for Biden sends the message to stop taking those on the left for granted but unfortunately, they keep having this "evil" guy on the other end that you fear more so you vote for this Lesser evil. The only way to end this cycle, is to send that message clearly. Either we elect Bernie which is most likely no longer possible cause he doesn't have the balls to eviscerate Biden, or we send them a clear message in the general that we will never support their anointed candidate just because the guy on the other side is "super evil".
Quite Frankly: If we support they take us for granted, if we don't support they'll turn around and blame us for Trump even though they never do anything for us. That's the main takeaway here and we'll never get anything if we keep saying "but republican is so evil that I have to vote for this right wing dem".
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This is why I'm advocating voting third party - but only if you're living in a state that's safe democratic or republican!
If third party votes go above 5% total on national level, both dems and reps should wonder what they did to push people to vote somebody else instead who doesn't have a perceived chance at winning anything.
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We tried that in 2016, it didn't happen and unfortunately the leading green party candidate isn't even that good either. He's another one of those people pushing Russia gate. I was willing to somewhat overlook Bernie's pushing of it since he never went full on with it but this guy did so yea. This primary is just proving one thing to me tho. You can have the most popular politician out there, the one who has the best ideas in the race, the one with the biggest movement and the establishment will watch that and throw everything at it until its dead. Exit polls being so far off, major voter suppression, people are even going deep into saying vote flipping (which can lead to the first one) and I don't disagree either. There are a ton of irregularities happening and the DNC is so hell bent on anointing Biden that they're sending people to vote during a Pandemic because they know the fix is in and they want to ensure that it stays that way. They rather have people die to keep the dynamic in the race the same and I can't. I can't see myself supporting this party in the future ever right now for real. How evil do you have to be to say go vote during a pandemic?
