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goopy20 on 17 March 2020
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victor83fernandes said:
goopy20 said:

It wasn't my attention to start a debate over which gpu is more powerful. Whether Series X is on par with a 2080ti or a Super, it has amazing specs regardless. It will probably be $599 or more, but that's fine by me and for those who think it's too expensive, they can always wait for a price drop. I'm pretty excited about Series X but my main concern is this whole cross gen and 4Tflops Lockhart thing. 

I just don't see how they can really fully optimize Series X games to look as good as they possibly could, while their 1st party developers constantly have to think "will this run on X1 and/or on 4Tflops too". Obviously, if MS's 1st party studios were to aim for native 4k by default and use inefficient ultra settings on Series X, it would be a different story and yes, then they could just drop the resolution to 1080p, scale down some of the ultra settings and it will run fine and look pretty much identical on Series S, at least to the masses. But imo that's not the best way to optimize a next gen console. It's basically like saying a 2080ti is not capable of pushing out more impressive visuals than Gears 5 at 4k with insane graphics settings. We both know it can, but maybe not in native 4k and while using inefficient ultra settings.

So if the ps5 is 10Tflops and they could optimize their games purely for visual fidelity, use checkerboard rendering, be as efficient as possible (with no ultra graphics settings) and aim for 30fps, wouldn't Sony's 1st party developers be able to get far more impressive results out of the ps5, even if Series X has the Tflops edge? Maybe I'm missing something, but I just feel Lockhart will just be holding the Series X back, just like the Xone is holding the X1X back right now. With the X1X that was to be expected as it came out years later and wasn't mean to take a massive leap over Xone and leave the main userbase behind. But if they would've launched at the same time, one of them surely had to be holding back the other, depending on what the base platform would be. 

4TF xbox is just a rumour, lets wait for the reveal

You don't have to worry about pushing games because all xbox exclusives will also be on current gen consoles, so I doubt xbox will have any graphical amazing games, sony will definitely impress more with exclusives such as horizon 2 and spiderman 2 as those will be exclusive to the new hardware.

I doubt the ps5 will be any more than 9TF, so game developers will optimize probably around that, but people who buy the cheap xbox are not people who care about graphics at all, they just want to play the new fifa and call of duty, even 720p would suffice, they don't care. The real hardcore gamers are buying the high end models.

I see no reason whatsoever to buy the cheap model, even on minimum wage the series X and ps5 pro will be 10days of work worth of wages. If you cant afford that, then you should not jump into next gen early as games will stay at high price for much longer.

And if you sell your old console, lets say I sell my xbox X for 250 to buy the series X at 600, the actual cost will be 350 for the high end model, that's 5 days of work, very worth it.

PS - I highly doubt Microsoft would put out a console 3x weaker than their top console, I would understand if the series X came 2 or 3 years after, but both at launch? That's a huge gap, if PS5 has a cheaper 8TF model with bluray drive at 400dollars, then xbox has no chance of gaining market

Sony now has a huge advantage, they already know what Microsoft is doing, so they can now plan on how to market better and price accordingly to compete, never show your cards first, bad move Microsoft. Its like chess, the trick to win is to wait for your opponent to make a mistake.

I'm not too worried and I'm sure most developers will target the ps5 as the base console. I'm more disappointed and baffled by MS's decision making going into the next gen. On one hand they're getting me all excited with Series X, it looks amazing, I expect it to be expensive and I want one. But then they go ahead and say "Here's our beastly 12 Flops Series X, oh and by the way, it won't have any games made for it for the next 2 years as everything will be cross gen". Then we get all these rumors about a 4Tflops budget version, which would play the exact same games, just not in native 4k and 60 or even 120fps for the remainder of the upcoming console generation. It's almost as if they don't want me to buy a Series X lol. As I said before, if people really cared that much about 4k and/or a higher fps, the ps4 pro and X1X would have sold a lot better.

If all of this is true, for the next 2 years, we would see a rack of ps5 exclusive games on one side, and on the other side we'll see Xbox games with a sticker on it that says "optimized for Series X". I just don't think it will be a great selling point for the Series X. I remember Sony saying "next gen won't start until we say it does", which sounded very arrogant at the time. But they're actually right because if the ps5 wouldn't launch, no developer would be making any true next gen games. Ps4 would still be the base console and Series X would just get 4k/120fps versions of those exact same games.

Last edited by goopy20 - on 17 March 2020