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uran10 on 15 March 2020
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Moren said:
uran10 said:

Ah Yes, the means tested programs that always get rip to shreds instead of universal programs as a means to try to convince the youth to vote for him while we already know his donors wouldn't allow this to pass. Yes, this is totally going to convince us to come out and support him (it wont).

Let me see him swear off corporate money, get rid of his super pacs and support universal healthcare and oh yea, stop spreading misinformation about Corona but I doubt we'll see that.

I will spell this out real nice and easy. If you take corporate money, you're not getting the leftist vote and the independent voters wont trust you (Bernie has actually won the independent vote in the majority of the states, the block you need to actually win the election btw). We know about the public and private positions, we wont trust you and if we don't trust you we wont vote for you. Its really that simple. You literally told us you have no empathy for us and now that you want our vote you think you'll be able to give us some watered down half measure and appease us? You best hope that Trump continues to screw up with this Crash and this Pandemic if you want a shot at winning.

ALSO EDIT: THAT ISN'T BERNIE'S PLAN! Holy crap this man is such a freaking liar. Bernie's plan isn't some means tested 125k BS, holy crap I can't believe I missed that wording what a slime ball. Bernie's plan is free PUBLIC college for everyone regardless, not some means tested nonsense. I can't... I just can't.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/s806

This used to be Bernie's bill.

Oh how did I know this was coming. What is his current position? Means tested never works, it never will. Just look at Obamacare, its the perfect example. Also on the empathy thing, its funny, in fact very funny. He was one of the people who wasn't in favour of any of these things and is a major reason why us young people are in such a sorry state cause guess what? he voted for the majority of the things that have screwed us over. Nah, screw that.

Edit: Just pointing out, why would we put someone whose been on the wrong side of history for almost everything for the last 40 years in charge of the country? I will never understand support for Biden because he literally is a major reason why Trump is in power. Neoliberal policies always lead to fascism. We literally have 3 people in the race. 1 Person who cannot win because they don't have the following, 1 person who is riding off of Obama's coattails after literally being wrong about the majority of things and has voted to screw us over so many times, and the last person who has been on the right side of history for the most part for the same time frame.

Even now we have a pandemic going on, and what does he do? He carries out misinformation for political expedience. He keeps proving more and more why he's not fit but this is the response whenever we point it out. "Shut up, he's winning, and Trump's worse blah blah" Give me a break. I trust the guy that has been right not the guy that is using nostalgia and has been wrong on most issues. Joe's record vs Trump and honestly, if it wasn't for covid and the economy Trump would easily win and I'll say it. I will never vote for either of them but I'll be honest with my thoughts. I think Joe is worse than Trump. Joe has a long record of being incorrect on everything, Trump while a fascist xenophobe has come out and said and done things that are actually right in certain circumstances and if he stuck to his principles he wouldn't be as "shit" as he is. He was actually for universal healthcare, then he sat down with the Health insurance companies and changed his mind and came up with that god awful Trump care. His problem (besides being incredibly stupid) is that he's surrounded himself with the swamp he claimed he was removing and they influence him to do the same old same old, he's just too ugly of a face on it for them to get away with it as they please. Joe's the face that most will overlook as he does the exact same things. I know a lot will disagree with me on this, but I see Joe before his cognitive decline saying a lot of bad, and I see Trump at that same point in time saying things to the left of him such as full support for universal healthcare. They're both people I could never bring myself to vote for, but I'm going to be objective and point out, as bad as Trump is, atleast he's incompetent and wont get as much evil through, unlike Joe who has been pushing all these bad policies through and on to us for years. It doesn't help that he also campaigned for a republican in the year.... 2018. Yes. 2018. But Anyway, he's your guy. He will never be mine. I can't vote for someone as god awful as him. I can't vote for someone as God awful as Trump. My US rep is a terrible right wing Dino who wanted to challenge Pelosi from the right and is an ex republican and I think she's being challenged. But at this point, if Bernie really isn't at the top of the ticket I most likely wont vote. I'm not selling my soul or voting lesser of two evils. I'm not voting and approving of these people. I refuse to give either of these evils my vote if it comes down to them and I will repeat this as many times as I have to until you get it. There are many many others like me. Some say bernie or Bust, some say They'll vote green, some say Bernie is the furthers RIGHT they will go. He is the compromise for us and no pandering or policy change Joe makes will ever change that because he is owned by the 1% and will always do their bidding.

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