Official 2020 US Election: Democratic Party Discussion

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SpokenTruth said:

DarthMetalliCube said:

Yeah that's a shame. I don't hate Yang but that burned a lot of his credibility for me. The CNN gig raised an eyebrow for me but ugh, supporting Biden? The establishment obviously has their boy, and are going all-in for him. All I can say is good luck America lol. 

And I'm probably essentially burning what few bridges I have left here but.. I'm growing increasingly disillusioned with Bernie as well. His campaign has been far too passive, "Joe is my friend" (wtf?) and being silent on the DNC's obvious collusion to keep out Tulsi. Despite her backing out of a prominent position in the DNC in 2016 to back him. He hasn't returned the favor, outside of one semi-supportive tweet. Big deal.. This guy is losing me. He's just too soft, and is AGAIN going to bow down before the establishment. I feel like he just isn't strong enough to bring any real change.

My list of favored politicians is growing ever thinner.. At this rate it's pretty much down to Kuscinch, Tulsi, Ron Paul, and maybe Ventura ha.

The one glimmer of hope is his millions of supporters are inevitably going to conglomerate towards another politician who closely aligns with their views when Bern inevitably lets them down again. Even if it takes some years, it will happen. Bernie's movement isn't about Bernie, but his (supposed) ideals/policy. The same way that on the right, the Tea party sort of began under Palin, failed there, and eventually migrated to Trump, the same will happen with the Bernie movement on the left. 

Anyway whatever. Ultimately I need to just take a step back and look at the big picture, and realize this bs isn't going to really affect my life personally one way or another. Whether it's Trump or Biden, things will essentially remain the same. It's a massive and complex machine and no one man is enough to significantly move the needle. It's more political theater than anything. I was never really naive enough to believe that M4A was going to be implemented anytime soon anyway, nor full or even partial student loan forgiveness. Even if Bernie got the nom, most of his proposals would be blocked by the more moderate Dems/GOP, which frankly is most of the base. Business as usual in America regardless.

But this is why I fight.  It may not affect me too much but I know people it does. My mother-in-law, for instance.  She came to the US over 40 years ago and overstayed her Visa.  She's always paid taxes, no criminal record, helped her community. Spoke some English but never enough to pass a citizenship test (Most US citizens can't pass it either). She got deported a year ago back the Philippines where she has no family.  She died 3 months later.  So, these policies can have a real negative impact.

And then there are the millions of people I don't know that have their own stories of how policies can negatively impact their lives....or deny them hope of change. That is why I will keep fighting. The Trump's of the world hurt people. The Biden's of the world just impede progress to saving people.

My message may sound a bit selfish on my part but it's something of a defense mechanism I guess for me to disassociate from this shit, and just put some perspective on things. Otherwise I'll drive myself nuts heh.

There's the student loan factor for me but I do have to put better perspective on it and realize there are many others that these policies affect much much more as you said. But again, that was my own naive decision I made when I was 21, just gotta dig myself out of it now that I'm wiser. Nothing else to do.

I just get very bummed about the state of things. I'll just leave it at that without getting into another rant.

That saddens me to hear man my condolences. We definitely need a better path to immigration in this country. The Trump (and partly the centrist) methods tend to be just trying to slap a bandaid on the issue without addressing the underlying causes or reach the root of the issue, which only makes things worse for everyone.

When it comes To Biden - I consider my mother a very smart woman and she seems to somewhat support the guy (think Warren was her first choice but still), and hell if Yang can endorse him and even Tulsi has defended him at a debate maybe he's not as awful as I think, or at least I try to tell myself ha. Just done with "business as usual" politics and backroom corporate deals and such. Banker bailouts, NAFTA/TPP, Patriot Act, war in Iraq, Glass Steagall, War on Drugs, etc.. All things the guy supports/voted for.