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Otter said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Except this isn't true.  I was very much into PS1 and PS2 and skipped over N64 and mostly skipped Gamecube too.  I also really liked the PS3.  I just don't particularly care for PS4 and if Sony doesn't change then I probably won't like PS5 either.  Meanwhile Switch is my favorite system since the NES.

Out of curiosity, what do you want Sony to change?

It sounds to me like your taste in gaming has changed versus Sony doing anything wrong. The PS4 is in not much different from PS2/3. Even down to the franchises we see on it.

It isn't about franchises.  It's about the quality of the games.  You know the N64 and Gamecube had several of my favorite franchises and I still gave them both a pass.  The quality of the "franchises" dropped.  On top of that the % of original good games also dropped.  The N64 and Gamecube were more powerful than their Playstation competitors and they suffered for it.  Power has all sorts of disadvantages including the effects it has on game development.  High game budgets means fewer games and less risk taking, so there are fewer original games as well.

This time around PS4 is the disappointing console.  All of the Playstation "franchises" I used to love are diminished in some way on the PS4, or they simply don't appear at all.  If you want specifics here they are:


Legend of Dragoon and Okage were RPGs I liked made by SIE themselves.  Does SIE even make RPGs anymore?
Demon's Souls and Dark Souls were great games and Sony helped the first one by publishing it in Japan.  Dark Souls 3 is a legitimately great game, but it's also the last Dark Souls game.  Sony doesn't seem to want to fund good Japanese-made games anymore.
Bloodborne sucks.
The Last Guardian is not as good as Shadow of the Colossus, and I don't care that they remastered SoC for PS4.

Uncharted 4 is the best Uncharted, but I only thought this franchise was ok to begin with.
Spider-Man is my favorite PS4 exclusive, but it still isn't as good as Spider-Man 2 on the PS2.
The Last of Us was decent, but a highly overrated game.
God of War is a highly overrated series.

Nier: Automata seemed decent from what I've played, but I haven't picked it up after the first few hours because there are plenty of Switch games I'd rather be playing.
DQ11 I have on the Switch, because it is the definitive edition and also portable.
Undertale is a really good game.  I played it on the PC first, but it's still a really good game.  Deltarune I played on the Switch though.
Valkyria Chronicles 4 I got on the Switch, because it's portable.  Same with Dragon Quest Builders.
Hyrule Warriors is the definitive Warriors game now.  I definitely can't go back to standard Dynasty Warriors anymore.

Katamari Damacy was only good on the PS2, but doesn't even appear on the PS4.
Final Fantasy Tactics is one of my top 5 games of all time.  The sequels got moved to Nintendo handhelds, and then they stopped making them.
Final Fantasy used to be my favorite franchise and my main reason for buying a Playstation console.  Now I don't even care about Final Fantasy, and I know I am not the only fan to say this.  FF15, I played for an hour or so.  The mechanics didn't grab me and the characters didn't either.  

Final Fantasy 7 is my favorite game in my (formerly) favorite series, but they are giving it the Hobbit treatment.  With the Hobbit movies, Hollywood was like, "Hey do you like Lord of the Rings?"  I'm like "Yeah, I love Lord of the Rings."  "Do you like the Hobbit?"  "Yeah I loved that old cartoon movie, and the book was good too."  "Well we are going to give you THREE Hobbit movies!"  "Dammit!"

Three FF7 games is not better.  It's worse.  It's so much worse.  I'm still not sure what I am going to do with this game.  I want to like it, but it seems like it's going to piss me off.  Although the game seems like the perfect conclusion to the whole PS4 experience.  They seem like they are giving me what they want, but they are really just pissing me off.  

The PS4, in general, seems great on the surface.  But a closer inspection reveals that it is hugely disappointing.  For me, at least, it is hugely disappointing.  All of my favorite "franchises" are diminished in some way, and it also lacks new games which are interesting.  I don't know what games the PS5 will have, but if they continue in this direction then it is unlikely I will get one.  At best I will buy one several years from now, when it is cheap, and use it mostly for streaming and Blu-Rays, which is mostly what I do with my PS4 system.

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 05 March 2020