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DarkD said:

Bofferbrauer2 said:

1. Any type of Power generation needs some amount and some way of power retention, be it batteries, pumped-storage Hydroelectricity, Flywheels, compressed air or any other way to retain energy in a different form than electricity for times of need. As such, claiming that only renewable energy would need energy storage is flat-out wrong. This is especially true with nuclear energy, as that one needs a long time to raise or lower it's power production and on it's own would certainly need more energy storage than renewables do.

2. This could be true if industrial batteries would also be using Lithium batteries like consumer devices do. But Lithium batteries are not very economic in that scenario despite their low price. Most new big grid batteries use batteries made out of sodium-sulphur or vanadium to store the energy. Home energy storage used to use lead acid, then Lithium-ion, but are also increasingly made of used electric car batteries, as they are not viable to use in cars anymore but still good for home battery systems. Besides, recycling of Lithium, while difficult, is very much possible. Also, a new Lithium power pack at home should last at least 12-15 years before it needs replacement. Finally, while the dangers of Lithium have been played up, the actual environmental danger for recycling came from Cobalt - which is not present in new Lithium-Iron batteries.

3. Why would you need to cut trees? You can put them in the midst of fields, into the ocean or even in a free spot in a forest without having to cut a single tree. Modern windmills are so tall that they completely dwarf most trees anyway, so even if there were a couple in the way, they would only cut efficiency by single digits.

4. Need to find the source again, but according to statistics, 240k birds died in a year from windmills in the US. But compared to 1.9 million in Toronto alone or 370-980 millions in the US who crashed against office towers, that's a real low number. So yeah, there are birds that die from windmills - but a single office tower is a bigger bird killer than an entire windmill farm. The study also found that just looking at the amount of birds dying from crashing against any structure is also misleading, as it doesn't show what effect they have on bird births. Power plants take up lots of space which birds can't use for nesting anymore, for instance, can have worse long-term effects on the bird population that windmills.straight. Yeah, right...

Bush started Iraq and Afghanistan.  While Obama didn't start these wars, he sure as hell got involved in them.  

https://fee.org/articles/solar-panels-produce-tons-of-toxic-waste-literally/

^ Theres your toxic waste from solar panels.  And carbon dioxide arguably isn't even dangerous.  

https://co2coalition.org/

about 20-30 PhDs in relevant fields make that statement, including former president of Green Peace Patrick Moore.  

And expense is the problem with cutting trees.  Is it cheaper to make them massive or to clear cut  a forest and make them short.  They're a fake solution anyways.  All these countries making windmills just do it because they start buying the missing energy from France's nuclear program.  

The CO2 coalition is funded by the Koch Brothers and the Mercer Family Foundation, two groups which are heavily denying climate change because they profit from dirty energy. The Koch brothers have extensive polluting industries, so of course they wan to discredit the climate change as it damages their profits. Mercer is a long time supporter of fringe biology ideas. I'd say that already says it all about how serious you should take their "research".

@italic: Just breathe a higher than 2% amount of CO2 in the atmosphere an you will slowly die due to CO2 splitting up to Carbon Monoxide, which stays in your lungs and stops them from being usable. Result: A slow asphyxiation death. Which would go for everyone on this planet, Human and animal alike. 

@bolded: What do you try to say here? They are producing wind energy because they start buying nuclear energy??? That sentence makes no sense at all.

Besides, if you take a good look to Europe, you'll see something that will blow your mind: They are building windmills everywhere... and yet the forests are growing! No tree-cutting for windmills necessary, like I said before. Having to cut trees for windmills is a myth.