Soundwave said:
Because 3/4 times they've tried head to head they've gotten absolutely blown out by Playstation and the one time they won, the PS3 still almost caught up. Not only them but Microsoft too. Playstation is just too daunting of a competitor to be beaten in the strict home console market. The only real mistake they've made in like 25+ years in the business is the $600 PS3, other than that they don't give their competition much to take advantage of. If the PS3 wasn't $600 due to Blu-Ray it probably would've topped Wii sales but still managed 85 million on the low end for them. |
Sony have dropped the ball plenty of times.
The great Playstation Hack of 2011, Vita...
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-04-26-sony-admitted-the-great-psn-hack-five-years-ago-today
https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/08/vita-game-boy-3ds-ds-psp-compare-sony-nintendo-handheld
Other big tech stuff ups was their exploding battery fiasco, addiction to propriety formats and so forth.
End of the day though, Sony has immense brand recognition in the console space and that pays off for them most of the time, which is deserved, they did the hard work, made the right moves, they get to reap the rewards.
| padib said: The one you obviously don't live in. Nintendo did not lose to the Playstation. That only happens in your fantasy. Nintendo always lost to its own mistakes. What proves it: The WiiU vs the Wii. The N64 vs the SNES. The Gamecube vs the SNES. Now look, the switch is a console (and a handheld, you know like light is matter and energy?), and it is kicking the Playstation's ass. |
The Nintendo 64 sold less than the Playstation 1, doesn't mean the Nintendo 64 was a failure, having a console shift 30+ million units in the 90's was a pretty good outcome... Not to mention there were a few Nintendo 64 games that sold more than 5+ million copies which was also a good outcome for Nintendo.
Just like how the PSP wasn't a failure, sure it "only" sold 80~ million units verses the DS's 154 units, doesn't mean it was a failure.
You don't need to sell the most units during a generation to be regarded as a success.
Even if the Switch's sales dropped off a cliff today, that console will still be regarded as a success, it's been a financial positive for Nintendo.
| victor83fernandes said: The wiiU problem was not the hybrid thing, it was the huge controller, the difficulty of using 2 screens to play, the name, just sounded like a wii peripheral, the fact the base version only had 8GB drive when ps4 had 500GB at launch, also the price, all of that could have been fixed by just making another normal console like the gamecube. It would have sold at least 30 million had they done a traditional console. The switch sells a lot because of the 3ds market, but mostly kids play portable consoles, they could just do a 3ds successor for that market. Other reason for the switch success was great marketing. But mostly because they had Zelda and Mario odyssey at around launch, the wiiU took too long to get going never having a major game for ages, then people just lost the hype for it. I fully believe a lot of us adults would prefer Nintendo to come up with a home console with PS5 specs, pro controller and launch with a new 3d Mario with graphics 5x better than odyssey and bigger open worlds. It would sell less than the switch, but it would sell to a lot more serious gamers. Example, my best friend wanted a switch but he just cant stand the Zelda graphics (jaggies everywhere), he has a PC and ps4 pro and when he comes at my house he says he cant even play, he says he wouldn't even have the game for free. That kind of gamers are the kind Nintendo could get back, gamers they lost after the gamecube and N64 |
Most WiiU games don't actually use the second screen much... And more yet would allow you to play your games exclusively on the handheld.
It was a pretty solid hybrid console all things considered, but it did have some strict limitations... Not to mention a failure on Nintendo's behalf to market it appropriately.
Graphics has been an Achilles heel for Nintendo since the 6th gen, nothing is changing there anytime soon.
| Pyro as Bill said: PS1 routed the N64. DS took it portable and smashed PS1 and N64 combined with the same graphics. |
DS had inferior graphics to the N64, sure they resembled 5th generation graphics, the blocky, low-res texturing was certainly a step to the side from the Blurry, highly Filtered Nintendo 64 look.
| Pyro as Bill said: Wii managed the job singlehandedly with last gen graphics. PS3 beat 3DS and Vita separately but 3DS was on a mission to kick Sony out of the handheld space so had to sacrifice sales. |
Vita failing to gain any traction in the handheld space was probably more the lack of any affirmative action by Sony than anything Nintendo did.
Nintendo probably had an effect, but you would need to provide some empirical evidence that Nintendo "sacrificed" 3DS sales in order to bury the Vita, otherwise it's just a baseless conspiracy theory.
| Pyro as Bill said: WiiU did an amazing job of lulling the home console competitors into a false sense of security. Switch will repeat the portable and 'real home console' success and toast PS4 sales. |
Nah. WiiU was a blatant failure... And that is before and talking about the sales point, profits would have been marginal, if non-existent.
| Pyro as Bill said: Nintendo can win a graphics race but can't get the 3rd party support that PC-esque systems get without changing the whole computer/videogaming paradigm.................which they've done on multiple occasions. |
Sure, Nintendo can win the graphics race, Sony and Microsoft at the end of the day are just leveraging PC commodity hardware and repackaging it, something Nintendo is capable of doing as well, long gone are the days where console manufacturers contract chip designers to build chips for them from the ground up.
However, Nintendo clearly isn't about power, they focus their efforts elsewhere... Then you get the obvious (And fair) Criticism that Nintendo's platforms are underpowered.
padib said:
That would be absolute monetary suicide. Even the biggest companies that tried to release a smart TV (Google, Sony) failed because it is just a bad product case. Iwata never mentioned anything like a smart TV. He was comparing more with Apple products, such as the Apple TV, the ipad, iphone, ipod. Smart TV is a whole television screen with intelligence inside. That can't be done by Nintendo because they will get massacred by Samsung and the other big ones, the same ones who beat Sony out of their own bread and butter. If by smart tv you mean a smart box that plugs into the tv like an apple tv or a chromecast, then that would be okay. |
Can't really compare it to a Smart TV or an Apple TV.
Nintendo is clearly making the Switch a "Platform" rather than a singular device concept.
You have a dedicated handheld, you can have a dedicated home console... And you can have a device that can be both... And the ONE single game can play across them all... Which lets face it, one physical game for all your platforms is a pretty attractive prospect, don't you think?
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