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Vodacixi on 11 January 2020
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Wyrdness said:
Vodacixi said:

Ok first, I want to tell you something: it's really confusing that you don't answer any of my arguments or questions and you just throw more questions at me. It's quite difficult to have a conversation like this. I asked you If you thought the content added in Emerald was 2 hours long, because you explicitly said something along those lines and it's a plain lie. You didn't answer. I asked you if you thought that the DLC will fix the technical errors and flaws Sword and Shield have just as Emerald and Platinum fixed/improved what could be better from R/S and D/P, because it's been two months since the games launched and they are still at version 1.0 and in the Direct they didn't mention any measures on those fronts. You didn't answer. I would like you to adress these questions, please.

My point is... my point, I guess. I'm not trying to present you an objective truth. I told you my opinion. You are trying to debunk it. I think I'm right. You think I'm not. Maybe if you say something new and answer my arguments with something that very clearly beats them, I will change my opinion. But that hasn't happend yet.

The changes on Emerald were very numerous and with different variations of importance. I think giving each Pokémon an animation, creating the Battle Frontier and all the changes made to the main adventure from both story and gameplay perspectives are not "tweaks". And those are just the major changes. Most of the list I gave you might be "minor" changes, but together they create something far bigger. I think that's more than what we will get with the Expansion Pack. Basically because the expansion pack is essentially a post game and Emerald is more than just a new post game. I rather play a new better game with more content that continue the same game for another X hours (don't worry, this time I won't put an actual number. I see you don't like that...).

Sword and Shield will not change their "core game", if that makes any sense. If you decide to start a new save file after the DLC, you'll play the exact same game you played before with the exact same flaws, errors and absences it had before. Only that now you have a post game. For everyone who found Sword and Shield lacking in many aspects (and there is a lot of people like that), the DLC won't do them any good. It will give them more of something flawed. To me, that's enough... opinion based evidence? I don't know how to call it at this point in order to not trigger you. Whathever: it's enough for me to believe the Expansion Pack will, in no way or form be close to a third version in terms of content, improvements and changes. Even if it costs half the price, I think you are still getting less than half of what you could potentially get.

As for the development time... it's not relevant to my point. You say we're getting more or less the same in less time. I'm saying you we are getting less and worse content. In less time. Also I repeat: we're getting a post game. In a third version, we get that and a (very) improved base game. No matter how much time they spend on the DLC: the base game will remain the same. That's something that wouldn't happen with a third version.

It's late here in Spain. Have a good night.

It must be late there because you're not reading my post at all I asked you two specific questions in my initial response to your first reply one in how much actual game time would be added if the tweaks you cited were dlc instead and the second was where you got the 2 hours figure from. After that I didn't ask you a question I just addressed the overall point even the post you quoted has no question in it so what are these more questions you're referring to exactly outside of this one I ask now?

This is what makes little sense in your view here you're going on about Sw/Sh being the same game at its core yet that's exactly what everyone is pointing out about the third version especially the likes of Emerald so it just comes across as double standards as Emerald is still the same base game even if you choose to not see it that way. The second paragraph highlights my point you say it'll give them more of something flawed making an assumption no issue people may have had is addressed ironically it comes in a part when you're arguing about lack of content that the DLC just existing is addressing this is why your opinion as you put it is wtf as the double standards in ignoring the same basic issue in third versions combined with the assumption of everything in the DLC like thinking you're getting less than half people could get or the 2 hours comment I inquired about.

Development time is relevant because for the content in the third version having more time you'd think they should have more than DLC that will be fully out 11 months later instead they're looking very comparable with one being cheaper. As for your question it's possible they can sort out issues they don't need to mention optimizations to the engine in a direct as that's what developers are normally doing anyway the fact you're expecting that to be announced in a direct is bizarre to begin with.

Or maybe is because of your text lack of comas. It's quite difficult trying to decipher a chunk of text without them.

I'll repeat it again: I asked you two questions: If you thought the DLC was gonna fix the technical and design flaws of Sword and Shield and if you actually thought the additions to Emerald would only add two hours to Ruby and Sapphire. In this last reply, you answered the first one. You think they may fix the issues. Good for you. Now, answer the second one.

No, the problem is that you don't want to see the full picture. You think you can compare Emerald (or Platinum) to Sword and Shield + Expansion Pass. You still think that what Emerald/Platinum added was just the Battle Frontier and the main story is almost intact, which you are comparing to whathever we are getting with the expansion pack. That's very questionable the moment we realize the Expansion Pack IS A POST GAME ADD ON TO THE MAIN GAME. The main game won't recieve any major updates, because the DLC is made for people who already beat the story. It's a continuation. While Emerald is a modified and improved version of Ruby and Sapphire main game + A POST GAME. That's why I would enjoy far more a third version: I get to play a better and somehow different version of the base games and, in addition to that, I get a VERY beefy post game. I get an update on two fronts rather than just one. They (The Pokémon Company) said the Expansion Pass will continue from your original save file. Implying that the main game will remain entirely or mostly, untouched.

Development time is relevant to you because you're convinced we're getting a comparable amount of changes and content to a third version in less time and by less money. But I don't think we are (I already explained why: Changed, improved and expanded main story and core gameplay/technical experience + post game is more and better than just a post game). So, it doesn't matter to me that we are getting this early, because it doesn't have the content I expect. I rather wait and pay more for a better and more fulfilling experience.

As for fixing issues: I remind you again that it's been almost 2 months since the game released and they haven't touched anything. People are constantly complaining about the issues. And Game Freak hasn't said a thing. To me that's more evidence they are not gonna do anything than evidence that they MAY fix something.

I think I already said everything I wanted to say to you. To me this conversation is over. Have a nice day.