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goopy20 on 07 January 2020
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Mr Puggsly said:
goopy20 said:

MS bought the rights of Gears because Epic wanted to focus on other projects. 3 Years later, Epic launched Fortnite, one of the most popular games of all time with 250m players and billions of yearly revenue. While MS made 2 lack luster Gears games with a 82 metacritic score that sold 20 times less of what Gears 3 did.   

There's no arguing taste, of course, and I did enjoy Halo and Gears. But I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to see something different from MS's first party studios. I mean the next gen is about to start and MS still has only Halo, Forza and Gears to persuade people to buy their console instead of Sony's. What's worse is that both Halo and Gears are seeing a downwards trend in sales and review scores. While Sony has been hitting home runs with new ip's, both in critical acclaim and sales, for years. 

Right, Epic made a fortune with Fortnite. Does that mean Epic can only work on a single project at once? Epic also sold Gears well before Fortnite became a success. At that point they were working on multiple projects, not just Fortnite.

Okay, you're saying a bunch of nonsense now. On Metacritic Gears Ultimate got a 82, Gears 4 got a 84 and Gear 5 got a 84. All respectable scores for products that don't necessarily appeal to critics. Fortnite on PS4 had 78 when it launched.

Gears 4 or 5 didn't sell as much as Gears 3, but does that mean they're failures? Absolutely not. Your assumption of "sold 20 times less than Gears 3" is incorrect.

Are we now pretending mega popular IPs are now the only incentive to buying a console? They have the IPs you mentioned, Hellblade 2 was announced, Outer Worlds sequel may be exclusive, Obsidian and Rare showed new IPs and its safe to assume other new IPs will come. Then you have the biggest reason people buy Playstation and Xbox consoles, multiplat games like Fortnite.

MS claimed Gears 5 sold great, but I'm sure you'll be skeptical about that. Meanwhile Halo Infinite could be a great success. I don't think these IPs will break records, but they seem to do well.

What is this about anyway? Are you under the impression I am trying to have a console war debate? Grow up, I'm just looking at the facts as a consumer that enjoys both really.

I wouldn't necessarily call Gears 5 a failure. But if Uncharted 5 came out and scored a 82 on Metacritic, while selling 20 times less than part 3, I'm sure Sony wouldn't consider it a success either. And no I'm not making that up...

As analyst Daniel Ahmad notes, Gears of War 4 sold 4.5 times better in its launch week, and Gears of War 3 – at the height of the Xbox 360’s success sold 20 times better.

Truth is that MS has historically failed in running their first party franchises and studios. I mean why do you think Bungie left them or why 95% of the original staff of Rare left the company? MS simply doesn't give their developers the creative freedom to persue new franchises. That's why MS is never going to beat Sony with their exclusives. Therefore, it would make sense for MS to release a more powerful console next gen as that would at least be a proper reason to pick the next Xbox over the ps5. I've never seen any numbers on how the Xbox one X sold compared to the ps4 pro, but I'm guessing the X outsold the pro. If the same thing will happen with a mass market "regular" console is the question, of course. Especially if they plan to sell it for $599 or more, but I get MS's logic behind it.