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zorg1000 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Are you saying sales were not sluggish for PS3 and XBox360 for the first few years?  Both consoles peaked in 2011 according to VGChartz numbers.  How many other 2nd and 3rd place consoles peak 5-6 years after launch?   

At the same time the Wii actually did peak early.  Wii is up when the others are down.  Then Wii is down and the others are up.  That looks a whole lot like competition.

What? I never said they weren't sluggish, I said Wii wasnt the reason, I thought I made that quite clear.

You're whole premise of "360/PS3 were down when Wii was up and 360/PS3 were up when Wii was down" makes no sense when you actually look at the trends.

2007

360-7.9m

PS3-7.9m

Wii-16.5m

2008

360-10.9m (+38%)

PS3-10.2m (+29%)

Wii-24.2m (+46%)

Why did PS3 & 360 both have ~30-40% YoY growth in Wii's peak year if Wii was the reason their sales were low?

360 & PS3 both had slower starts and peaked late but it had very little to do with Wii.

It's normal for a console to increase in sales in it's second year after release.  PS2 sales peaked in 2002.  Both Gamecube and XBox sales were significantly up YoY in 2002 as well.  It's not the percentage increase that matters.  It's absolute sales.  

Your argument would say that PS2 was not competing against Gamecube or XBox because they all had YoY increases at the same time. (Clearly this is a nonsense argument.)  My argument says that Wii was dominating PS3 and XBox360 in 2008 just like PS2 was dominating the other two consoles in 2002.

The Wii, during its first few years, was selling just like every dominant console sells, and it's competitors were selling much lower as second and third place consoles usually do.  The difference is that after a few years the Wii sales dramatically increased.  When that happened the other two consoles got a sales boost.  That is competition.  That is how competition works.  High sales of one console correlates with lower sales in another and vice versa.