What do you want in a Switch 2?

[Cobretti2]

Slownenberg said:

Cobretti2 said:

I know you said 2022, I was getting you to restate it because there is no way no how in 2022 a Switch 2 will have anything close hardware wise to being able to handle PS5 ports without huge sacrifices and effort/time by developers to get it to work. most publishers will not fund that kind of effort.

 Why would I stop talking about FLOPs? you seem to think there is some magic sauce that will make Switch 2 be able to get ports form a 9.2TFLOP and 12TFLOP based machines. YES we get it that Nvidia per FLOP performance is better than AMD, but it is not even 2x better. 

Now if all the jump you are expecting is PS4 level, then there is no point releasing a switch 2 in 2022. May as well extend the generation and call it what it is, a portable console that connects to a TV that is mainly for Nintendo games and exclusive 3rd party content with some rare blurry effort of ports from home consoles.

The reason I say extend it, is because who are they really competing with at this point? No one. Not like I will be upset if the next two Zelda games look graphically the same. I can't get a better fix on the PS5 of Zelda, so there is no need to bump up to a Switch 2 for minimal gain. May as well wait and go hard

Bolded part, just want to point out that the Switch at what like 300Gflops or whatever gets ports of games running at lets call it 5x that many on PS4/X1. So to say Switch 2 won't be able to get ports because there will be a power difference doesn't hold water, unless you think for some reason Nintendo won't make a Switch 2 that much stronger than the Switch, but why would you think that in the first place, you think they aren't gonna upgrade their offering much after 6 years? Switch 2 should be as capable of getting PS5/XSeries ports roughly as well as Switch is of getting PS4/X1 ports. Now of course that isn't great, we all wish 3rd parties would spend the time to port more games. And ideally Switch 2 will close the power gap a bit so it can get more than the occasional port, with like half the ports being shitty jobs haha.

Also, something that no one has mentioned I think. Microsoft is also supposed to launch of much less powered Series S. The Switch 2 will probably be fairly close to the Series S in graphical capabilities. If third parties need to make games run well on the Series S it isn't gonna be much harder to make them run well on the Switch 2.

That is exactly what I think, if people saying it will come out in 2022. I just haven't seen anything on on Nvidia's road map to suggest otherwise. Xavier in 10Watt form is only 0.8TFLOPs. Orin will come out in 2022 and run at 65Watts.

As for my magic sauce comment, if this was anywhere close to true, AMD would long be dad and killed off by NVIDIA. As JRPGfan indicated through the forumlas, it is closer to 25% gain then the double people are claiming.

Now Nintendo could be working on a secret custom chip from the ground up, I don't know but that would be very expensive to do. 

I ain't saying that ports won't be possible, it is that if they do port, the game will essentially be different do to the raw power gap. 

Big publishers want quick and easy cash. If they can't port it within a month of just some simple code changes it will never happen. I know people don't like to talk about EA and Activision, but for mass market they are big and people play their games. The fact that these two haven't really provided proper support to Switch and the Switch has outsold the XBOX then clearly the gap for them is big enough not to bother spending money.

Because I think in 2022 you can' have a significant boost over the original Switch, I think it is pointless releasing a next gen Switch as at the end of the day it is mainly a Nintendo game machine. I don't need better gfx atm, happy with Switch.  Only reason to get a Switch 2 is in the hope it gets more support. May as well extend the life of the Switch as it is selling well atm. No need to rush into the next one

Last edited by Cobretti2 - on 03 January 2020