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Slownenberg said:
Shiken said:

There seems to be some confusion here, so let me clarify. This is not a prediction about small incremental upgrades, but rather the way the Switch family of consoles will evolve down the line. For example, a full blown Switch 2 falls in line so long as what I mention in my OP still comes into fruition.

Key points...

Full BC for OG Switch.
Same eshop with digital purchases carrying over.
Same core hybrid concept and execution.
Innovation being done by add ons like Labo and Ring Fit rather than basing the console around it.

A "next gen leap in power" can still happen and remain part of the Switch family. Be it closer small upgrades or bigger and more spread out leaps in power, the end result is the same for my prediction.  Also I believe that this pattern will continue for as long as dedicated hardware remains relevant for Nintendo.

That's not really what you said when you started this thread. You said you see not new generations but rather a series of step ups. So you started out by saying you see a series of small incremental upgrades to the Switch line over the years rather than new generations, and now you are saying the opposite. People aren't disagreeing that the next system will be a Switch 2, they are disagreeing with your stated idea that there won't be a next gen Switch 2 but rather incremental upgrades to the original Switch. If you're are now simply saying that the next Nintendo system will be a Switch 2, I think most people assume that will be the case. Don't really need a whole thread to say you think Nintendo will stick with hybrid and the Switch branding next gen.

I never said a series of small step ups, that is something people misinterpreted because certain people add words like "incremental" to the topic, when I never said they had to be a series of small upgrades.  If a more powerful Switch 2 releases that can handle games that the Switch 1 cannot 5 years down the line, but is at its core the exact same thing with the same eshop and all with everything carrying over, then it would be part of a "Switch family".

In this sense traditional generations would be gone as each generation in the past used to start from scratch when it came to home consoles.  Nintendo has done this before for example with the GB and GBA for example.  One could look at the GB, GBC, and GBA as a family of devices as they were all step ups of the exact same thing.

GBC had games that the original GB could not run, and the GBA could run bot GB and GBC games while also having its own step up in power.  Aside from that step up, they were the exact same thing at their core and the newest version went all the way back to the oldest in terms of BC.

This trend ended with the DS, which was their first device outside of the GameBoy family in terms of handhelds.

It would also mean that the same eshop and purchases from that eshop would carry over as well, as you would no longer be starting from scratch like we used to have to from gen to gen.  In every sapect outside of power and somr quality of life improvements, it would be the same as the OG Switch.  Nintendo would still innovate and do their own thing, but through add ons like Ring Fit and Labo.  This way they would not need to risk basing the entire device around any one concept, and would be much safer in the long run.

RolStoppable said:
Slownenberg said:

That's not really what you said when you started this thread. You said you see not new generations but rather a series of step ups. So you started out by saying you see a series of small incremental upgrades to the Switch line over the years rather than new generations, and now you are saying the opposite. People aren't disagreeing that the next system will be a Switch 2, they are disagreeing with your stated idea that there won't be a next gen Switch 2 but rather incremental upgrades to the original Switch. If you're are now simply saying that the next Nintendo system will be a Switch 2, I think most people assume that will be the case. Don't really need a whole thread to say you think Nintendo will stick with hybrid and the Switch branding next gen.

He posted the clarification after I had talked to him on Discord. I told him that Nintendo won't do what he predicts and then he came back with the reasoning that the GBA wasn't a next gen Game Boy, but part of the Game Boy family. So that's basically what this thread is. He says in the thread title what he predicts (incremental upgrades like what Microsoft intends for Xbox) and then flips the script to be right with his prediction regardless of what happens.

I told him that he should go ahead and make a thread to ask people if the GBA was a next gen Game Boy or not, but he hasn't done that yet.

Where this whole prediction fails is that Shiken has a different understanding of what "family" means for consoles. What it really means is different SKUs within the same generation - so the DS family consists of DS, DS Lite, DSi and DSi XL, but not the 3DS, 3DS XL, 2DS, New 3DS, New 3DS XL and New 2DS XL which constitute their own 3DS family - but Shiken understands it as all SKUs that share a name, so the DS family and the 3DS family are one big family to him, just like the aforementioned Game Boy example.

Once again you twist words to misguide what the point is.  The name alone does not make it a family of devices, but what the device does.  I never said the DS and 3DS are part of the same family, so you either need to re read our discussion or stop making things up as you go.  You are trying to derail this thread so hard that you are either putting words in my mouth, or your memory is failing you.  I honestly don't know which.

I specifically said the DS and 3DS are two completely different families because they each had their own eshop where purchases did not carry over.  You had to start from scratch and even though the DS shop was available separately on the 3DS, it was eventually taken down.  The same thing happened with the Wii and WiiU (also not a family of devices).

I brought this up as examples for what would and would not constitute a Switch family of devices after you seemed to have missed the point and implied that I am saying there would be small upgrades over short periods of time, I never said that.  I said the timespan does not matter nor the leap in power as long as EVERYTHING carried over from form factor, physical BC, and purchases from the eshop.  I then predicted that Nintendo will innovate with add ons like Labo or Ring Fit moving forward instead of basing their entire console around it.

Last edited by Shiken - on 02 January 2020

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