The Rise of BS - Star Wars Epi 9 SPOILERS

[thismeintiel]

Jaicee said:

thismeintiel said:

The problem is it panders to them in a completely contrived and rushed ways, while also screaming too little, too late.  And there was no direction established by TLJ.  It left the Rebels right where they began.  Only now some people are dead.  There was no cliffhanger to get people excited for the next film.  And its answers for the very mysteries that brought people into the theater on opening day were big nothings.  Kathleen Kennedy put an internet troll in the director's seat and the film and franchise payed the price for it.

And now you have joined us, not liking this film for the same exact reason you claimed we didn't like TLJ, it didn't pander to our theories or where we wanted the story to go. 

I'm trying to follow this logic and failing, but I do appreciate its general spirit of unity. We might not agree entirely as to why RoS is a terrible film, but at least we can agree that it is, so I think we're getting somewhere here, lol.

I think you're missing the heart and soul of The Last Jedi. Besides the fact that I thought it kind of clever that the main twist of the film is that there is no actual plot twist in the end, the point of it being that way is to convey that the mental-emotional progress of the Resistance is more basic than, and a prerequisite for, their physical progress on the battlefield. To get somewhere in their fight against the First Order, they require spiritual progress, each major character in their own way. It's that progress that is made and centered in the film. Internal progress has to come first. Mind over matter. It's about the growth of the characters as people; their internal wars more than their external conflicts. I really liked that exploration!

The Rise of Skywalker seems like very much the opposite kind of film nearly all of the time. It's all about just simply fighting and winning as far as I can tell. In that way, it seems to revert to a much simpler, less reflective, and more specifically Western type of outlook on life. Which inevitably does indeed remind one of director J.J. Abrams for those who have followed his work.

You give that film WAY too much credit.  None of those things were in the film.  There was no character growth, only regression.  Rey goes from a powerful Mary Sue to a much more powerful Mary Sue.  Poe learns he is to obey orders without question, just like a Stormtrooper.  Finn goes from a potentially interesting character, to the bumbling comic relief.  He does learn that animal cruelty is wrong, and is more important an issue than child slavery.  Kylo went from an troubled villain who loses his cool sometimes, to a whiny emo.  Snoke goes from the big bad, who could have been a great character who could rival Palpatine in power, to a moron who doesn't even know what his ship is capable of doing and dies from an easily seen betrayal from Kylo.  Leia became Mary Poppins.  And Luke's character was completely raped for the sake of some jokes and subversion.