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Machiavellian on 22 December 2019
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vivster said:
Machiavellian said:

Well actually its not a fancy word but you can consider being Impeach as like having a grand jury decide that their is a case worthy to go to trial over.  Now its up to the Senate to do their jobs and try the case.  As we know, the GOP controls the Senate so the chance of the GOP ruling against Trump is slim UNLESS, there was a silent vote, then things could get very interesting.  

What I do not understand by your response is that you believe just because the chance is slim to remove Trump from office, this is a circus.  Actually what we get to see is how each side handles this situation.  Currently there have been a few GOP members who have come out publicly saying they will work with the President and his lawyers so he doesn't face prosecution.  Now if that were to happen in a real court of law, that person would instantly be removed from the proceedings.  There are Dems who state they would vote to prosecute before a trial even happen, the same goes for them as well.  The thing is, what we should see is the process work the way it suppose to be.  That the president goes on trial, evidence, sworn testimony, documents you name it is presented to the court and then a decision is made.  If one party or the other decides to not do their job, then they should face the consequences.

Things should become more interesting once things are push to the Senate.  We get to see how all the actors perform and then we can see if how the country response afterwards.

The circus started when Trump was elected in the first place and not immediately rejected as a candidate because he's unfit for office. Then the circus continued by letting him do whatever he wants and irreparably damage the country's reputation without any consequences. Then the impeachment started and the fact that there is even a chance that no trial will happen is just another act in the circus. The whole political and judicial system in the US is a circus and it's been treated like that by the public as well, which is the reason why it will always stay that way. It's a spectacle, entertainment for the masses. It's the equivalent of gladiator fights in the ancient Roman circus, except the Roman circus had more integrity because things had actual consequences. I'm amazed how the suicide rate among intellectuals in that country isn't skyrocketing towards 100% already.

I find it hard to live with that kind of ludicrousness and I'm not even living there.

We're talking calmly about democratic processes in a country that can't even clear the first hurdle of being called a democracy.

I believe your viewpoint is tainted.  Trump got elected because he ran a successful race.  What he does in the office in his 4 years weather good or bad does not make him illegitimate leader.  As long as he stays within his power and doesn't do anything to get him out then really its all opinion.  Some believe he is an idiot like myself, others believe he is a saint.  Either way he still have 4 years to convince the country that he is effective or not.

Before you make up your mind if the system doesn't work, you have to see the process happen.  Right now you are making assumptions before we even get to see how this will go in the Senate.  Nothing is written in stone just yet so before you make up your mind wait and see how the process goes.  There is a lot of things that will go into place so this is interesting times.

This is a process and how do you correct a process if it doesn't actually operate. THere is no way to show a weakness in a process unless its exposed and examined and then the country gets to vote.  That is how democracy works, just because things do not always work as designed doesn't mean its not working, just like any process it needs to get refined.