Official Thread: The Impeachment of President Donald Trump

[Machiavellian]

Locknuts said:

Machiavellian said:

No its not illegal but it sure makes it very hard to believe this was not for personal intent when you use your own lawyer, someone who cannot testify against you if you asked them to do something illegal or whatever.  When that same person represent your personal agenda, how can you make the case that this was for the US.  Like I said, Giuliani whole involvement is what throws out everything when people try to say Trump was acting on the US behast instead of a personal one. No one can rightfully explain Giuliani role in this whole affair because when they do, it only leads one place, to this being a personal agenda by the president.

No one is stupid.  The whole point of using Giuliani instead of official means is because everything is recorded during official means.  You side step those means so that you prevent those documents and records to become publicly available.  From there, Trump can say whatever he wants knowing that records of his operation are under Giuliani hands.

Yeah it was a huge mistake to get Guliani involved. I think he did it because he trusts Guliani and he doesn't trust most of the staff that have been there before his Presidency. It's not a justificaiton though, it makes it look like he just does whatever he wants.

That is the point, if he was doing things along the legal way, he would not need to TRUST someone.  If he was following the proper channels there really isn't a need for Giuliani.  I still believe Trump could have accomplish his goal without Guiliani but of course it would have taken a lot more effort because he would need to side step a lot of either illegal, immoral or both when conducting business.  Guiliani bypass all of that because he works directly for Trump.  Trump doesn't have to care when his administration tell him this is illegal, or this violates this or that.

When you take into account how Trump used his last lawyer, Guiliani makes total sense why Trump would use him in this scenario.  It's not because Trump trust Guiliani, its because this is how Trump has always handled gray area dealings.  Trump believes by using a lawyer it shields him from prosecution.  If dirty deeds are found, the lawyer takes the fall not him.  Trump tries to make sure there is no records of his dealings so when the Lawyer runs afoul of the law, then it's his words against Trump.  Its basic mafia type of stuff but it works pretty good on the government level as well.

The reason we are here is that Trump still thinks he can operate like he did as a private citizen, that he can still use the same tactics he used for shady business dealings.  Those tactics do not work the same as a public official and its the reason he fell into this obvious predicament.  The blessing for Trump is that the GOP will do whatever it takes to continue to protect him all the while they probably hate his guts.

Last edited by Machiavellian - on 22 December 2019