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fatslob-:O said:
Machiavellian said:

Trump going down has more to do with him being the complete moron then anything else you or John can think up.  We are here today because of how incompetent this whole Ukraine situation was handled by Trump and his administration.  This whole narrative, of socialist this, liberal that is just another way to deflect from an obvious idiotic handling of another situation that continue to baffle me on why people consider this moron capable of anything more than screwing shit up as he has shone throughout his life.

Oh well keep looking for ways to move the blame to everyone else besides the one person who got us here.

Don't you get it ? It's not about who to blame ... 

It's about what Trump represents and it's that he represents America with all of it's idiosyncrasies and beliefs too. If Trump loses then America loses as well because it's own people doubt the very institutions behind their systems thus potentially undoing their project to democratize the whole world ... 

Would you rather see America keep losing in the world if it means you wanting to see Trump losing so badly ? America facing defeat behind the very foundations they've built upon the world so far means victory for the communist middle kingdom regime! 

I am sorry but Trump doesn't represent America.  Trump was elected to a position and just like any elected individual, he can be removed from office if he doesn't do his job.  Basically what you are saying is that Trump is above the constitution which we have lived our lives in the US for centuries.  No one man or woman can represent America, its the reason we have that document that sets limits on the power and removal of that one person.

As to your second paragraph, I have no clue what you are talking about.  You are putting Trump on some type of pedestal.  As I stated, the reason we are here is because of Trump himself.  He got us here because he did not respect the institution of the job he holds. His incompetence and moronic ability to wade into things without thinking cause him to ignore all the signs he was wading into dangerous waters.  All this middle kingdom stuff you are throwing out means nothing when the person you are defending isn't smart enough to handle something as basic as this situation without crossing the line.