thismeintiel said:
We watch those vids because we already disliked the film and wanted to watch vids from people who agreed with us and, for some, who could verbalize it better than they could. She's not competent, she's godly. And that is boring. Especially when we have already followed two other Jedi go through hardships and training to become what they are. When you have a character who just walks up and is like, "stand down those before me, I'll show how this is done" without earning it, they are a Mary Sue/Gary Stu. And, yes, regardless of what you wish to believe, people would have the exact same problems if the character was a male. In fact, those same criticisms started to pop up with Ep 1 and Anakin being space Jesus. Surprisingly, Lucas didn't just call those critics male hating bigots and push the Gary Stu elements even more, he toned it down. He needed to go through years of training with Obi Wan. He got his ass handed to him by Count Dooku the first time. Only in the 3rd film, after years of training is he near his strongest. And even then, Obi Wan defeats him. We see a similar path with Luke. By the end of Ep 7, Rey is already almost at her strongest, without any training. It's lore destroying and, like I said above, just plain boring. So, yea, it's like I said, we can give you countless reasons the film is bad, but you will not take any note of them. Instead, you continually step back into the "you only hate it because of wahmen." If you actually have legit defense, try to give them, not fall back on a strawman. |
Basically this. I stopped arguing with people over this film long ago. I was there on opening day, truly excited because of the reviews saying "The best Star Wars of them all". I was looking forward to being surprised, seeing where the franchise would go and what would happen to the characters. I remained hopeful throughout the film until I finally told myself "This just isn't good." I walked out of the theater feeling kinda empty. Like "What the hell did I just watch? Where is this story going? Is there even a story at all?"
The more I thought about it, the more I disliked the film. None of that feeling of "I can't wait to see what happens next!" remained. TLJ killed that for me. Watching videos and having discussions helped me articulate exactly what it was that didn't feel right about this film. They supported my opinion instead of manipulating them--though I've yet to see one that I totally agree with in every aspect...
But as far as trying to tell someone else why the film sucks? I'm done with that. They want to like/love it. That's on them. They don't want to hear reasons. Our opinion is as worthless to them as theirs is to me. We like what we like.
And, of course, I'll be right there when the new one launches hoping I get the feeling of satisfaction that comes from a good story with good villains, character development, conflict, heroes, and depth. Plus some shooty shooty bang bang and laser swords.
Last edited by d21lewis - on 04 November 2019
