Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer

[thismeintiel]

starcraft said:

thismeintiel said:

The irony is that people keep trying to say that others only had problems with it because of politics, when it appears to me that people only want to defend it on the grounds of politics.  That's what seems to be the overwhelming go to when they have no defense of the film.  "Neckbeards only have a problem with it because of strong women and/or minority."  Of course, they ignore the hour plus vids that go into detail about everything wrong with the flick, while only giving social politics a short mention.  I do have to say, it is freaking hilarious to hear anyone talk of neckbeards condescendingly, as they live on both sides of the political spectrum.

Oh, and I looked up the definition of a Mary Sue.  All that was there was a picture of Rey.

If you're watching hours-long videos about everything wrong with the movie, I am not surprised you don't like it. 

Interesting you raise Mary Sue here though. The concept has long been co-opted by misogynistic elements to tarnish characters that are 'competent-while-female'. I don't know you, and I appreciate you're adamant that is not your intent. But you shouldn't be surprised when you firmly define Rey as a Mary Sue despite there being at worst significant debate on the point and at best significant evidence she is not a Mary Sue, that people question whether you've a politicised bent to your criticism of TLJ.

We watch those vids because we already disliked the film and wanted to watch vids from people who agreed with us and, for some, who could verbalize it better than they could.

She's not competent, she's godly.  And that is boring.  Especially when we have already followed two other Jedi go through hardships and training to become what they are.  When you have a character who just walks up and is like, "stand down those before me, I'll show how this is done" without earning it, they are a Mary Sue/Gary Stu. 

And, yes, regardless of what you wish to believe, people would have the exact same problems if the character was a male.  In fact, those same criticisms started to pop up with Ep 1 and Anakin being space Jesus.  Surprisingly, Lucas didn't just call those critics male hating bigots and push the Gary Stu elements even more, he toned it down.  He needed to go through years of training with Obi Wan.  He got his ass handed to him by Count Dooku the first time.  Only in the 3rd film, after years of training is he near his strongest.  And even then, Obi Wan defeats him.  We see a similar path with Luke.  By the end of Ep 7, Rey is already almost at her strongest, without any training.  It's lore destroying and, like I said above, just plain boring.

So, yea, it's like I said, we can give you countless reasons the film is bad, but you will not take any note of them.  Instead, you continually step back into the "you only hate it because of wahmen."  If you actually have legit defense, try to give them, not fall back on a strawman.