pokoko said:
Chrkeller said:
STEM is mostly desk jobs. Most aren't industrial manual labor. I work side by side with engineers daily. I rarely leave my office. The other point, 14 years ago maybe 10% of STEM coworkers were female. Fast forward and I would say that is 30% today. It has changed. There is an interest driven by having the opportunity. The biological argument that women aren't interested in STEM is complete and utter bull****, at least here in the States. I can't speak about other countries, given I don't live there. My daughter is beyond interested in STEM. So are 30% of my coworkers. STEM and manual labor are absolutely not the same thing. Back in the 70s expectations for women were greatly different when compared to men. This has changed, and we are seeing the results. Gender bias was absolutely a real thing. Heck my mother, when my twins were born, literally said they don't have to go to college because they can marry a man. She is a product of her generation. Again, I can't speak about other countries, but in the States... yeah, it has changed.
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I'm ... not sure why you keep mentioning STEM when I'm talking about heavy industrial professions providing a natural discrepancy in career path comparisons. If anything, you're reinforcing my point that all these professions shouldn't be lumped together.
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I've already agreed to not lumping. I use STEM because pay gaps were real in my life time. Same job, same work yet different pay wasn't a myth 10 years ago. And for clarity I am not even 40 years old, so it isn't like we are talking ancient history. It was real and did happen recently. In fact the example I used earlier, yeah that was during Obama's 1st term.
