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TonsofPuppies on 31 October 2019
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Chrkeller said:
pokoko said:

We're going to have to agree to disagree about this because I don't ever envision the same number of women as men applying to heavy industrial positions that are dangerous and physically demanding.  I just don't.  

I used to work in the paper industry so I know a lot of loggers.  Personally, there is no way I'd work that job.  It's brutal.  You're basically telling me that it's a male dominated profession only because of bias but I just don't buy that.

Pay gap comparisons should be based on like professions.  That's the only way it's going to give us useful information.  Otherwise, it's just a misleading number used for propaganda purposes.  If an industry is unfairly excluding women from employment then that should be a separate issue with its own spotlight.  Mixing all that together just muddies the water.

STEM is mostly desk jobs.  Most aren't industrial manual labor.  I work side by side with engineers daily.  I rarely leave my office.  The other point, 14 years ago maybe 10% of STEM coworkers were female.  Fast forward and I would say that is 30% today.  It has changed.  There is an interest driven by having the opportunity.  The biological argument that women aren't interested in STEM is complete and utter bull****, at least here in the States.  I can't speak about other countries, given I don't live there.  My daughter is beyond interested in STEM.  So are 30% of my coworkers.  STEM and manual labor are absolutely not the same thing.  Back in the 70s expectations for women were greatly different when compared to men.  This has changed, and we are seeing the results.  Gender bias was absolutely a real thing.  Heck my mother, when my twins were born, literally said they don't have to go to college because they can marry a man.  She is a product of her generation.  Again, I can't speak about other countries, but in the States...  yeah, it has changed.  

You're acting as though more women entering the workplace in past 50 years is exclusive to STEM fields. There is more female representation across ALL professions than there was 50-60 years ago. The creation of birth control in the 1960s played a massive role in freeing women from some of their "biological shackles" and thus allowing far more women to enter the workplace.