| Shadow1980 said: I liked the movie, therefore I'm deluded, and I'm in the wrong for encouraging others to watch it instead of listening to people who say "don't bother"? Yeah, sure. How about you bite me, okay? Even I don't think TLJ is perfect, as I clearly stated, but I think the most strident criticisms of it are unfounded.
...might also in a moment of weakness ignite his lightsaber after seeing what lied within Ben's mind but still refrain from striking him down seems completely plausible to me. It seems to me that a lot of fans had this idea in their head that Old Luke was supposed to have become some wise Jedi Master, an Obi Wan 2.0 or whatever. Or something more akin to however Luke was portrayed in the old Legends material. Instead we got OT Luke with grey hair and some people called foul. In other words, their headcanon was ignored. A legacy character's portrayal not conforming to your personal idea of how they should be portrayed does not make the movie bad. What's next? "Rey is a Mary Sue!"? Please. She's even more flawed in this film. Still stubborn, impulsive, naive, hotheaded, and nothing goes according to plan for her (in keeping with "failure" as an overarching theme of the movie). There's nothing about her any more Mary Sue-ish than, say, Luke using the Force to get the kill shot on the Death Star despite next to no training, or young Anakin whoops-ing his way to getting the victory for the good guys at the Battle of Naboo. Snoke's death? Not really much different than Palpatine in the OT. Snoke and the Emperor were both one-note Bigger Bads who served as a plot device to advance another character's story arc and spent their brief screen times engaging in evil gloating. Vader killed Palpatine to save his son and redeem himself. Kylo Ren killed Snoke to achieve his own goals. And just like Snoke, Palpatine had no character background or anything. His history was a blank. We just knew he was the leader of the bad guys. Palpatine didn't become fleshed out until the prequels. Snoke may be the Bigger Bad, but Kylo Ren is the main antagonist, and it's his story that matters on the villainous side. The fact that some people didn't get the back story they wanted out of Snoke does not make the movie bad. The "Holdo Maneuver"? Pointless technical quibbles easily handwaved away, and such minutiae not immediately satisfying your questions does not make a movie bad (as if the writers are obligated to explain to you in the film itself how they view the economics and tactical usefulness of a lightspeed kamikaze in a way that satisfies you). And besides, it's an awesome scene. Let's be honest. There is precious little in the way of legitimate film criticism coming from the vocal minority that are TLJ's haters. It's not a bad movie by any stretch. Rabid fans not liking something does not make that film bad. Ishtar, Howard the Duck, Plan 9 from Outer Space, Manos: The Hands of Fate, Dragonball Evolution, and the works of Uwe Boll and Seltzer & Friedberg are bad movies. The Last Jedi is not, even if it doesn't satisfy your needs and desires as a fan. |
You're definitely deluded if you think that's why I'm calling you that despite what I actually said. And yes you're in the wrong for encouraging ignorance and misrepresenting the actual criticisms.
No, Luke is actually relevant to the conflict in the OT, in that clip he's directly in the action, not cowardly hiding away despite his defeats and losses. Moreso, you're not fooling anyone, we all know what happens next, nor are we fool enough to equate all the bad Vader has done to a random dream vision. There is simply no way Luke, who abandoned his training with Yoda to save his friends, would suddenly just leave them to fend for themselves while he milked alien tits.
Rest of your post is just bad excuses, the existence of other movies don't make the flaws in this one ok. Rey in the TLJ defeats Luke, defeats Elite guards in a laughably bad fight scene, and lifts a ton of boulders all without any training (inb4 wildly swinging her sword against a rock alone for a few minutes is training). The only real threat to her was Snoke, but he gone now, and besides how comically dumb it was, that's the main issue with his death. The First Order isn't threatening now, Rey has already beaten Kylo and that commander guy is constantly made a fool of.
Your defense of the Holdo maneuver is basically "don't question it, just enjoy movie and get excited for next movie." Yeah no, a criticism isn't invalid because it's a criticism lol. It's a very relevant point as such a maneuver could have been used in pretty much every conflict in Star Wars. From now on everytime we see a battle we'll have to think "well why don't they just lightspeed their problems away, why waste time and lives trying to outmaneuver their foes in direct combat?" You wanna turn your brain off while watching movies, fine, but it's unreasonable to expect everyone else to do so.
It's not any one point that makes this movie bad, it's the dozens of them put together. The criticisms you listed are just a few of many.
