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d21lewis said:

My beliefs lean more towards Democrat but I frequent lots of Republican/Conservative forums. I also have a lot of Republican friends. It's kinda shocking how often the same arguments, verbage, and even the same "clever' jokes pop up time and time again. I'm sure many of them feel they think for themselves but (for example) next time there's a stabbing in some foreign country, there will be a hundred comments saying "Ban assault knives! Ha ha."

I see that same behavior when people defend The Last Jedi. "You just don't like a female lead." or "It didn't follow the story you had in your head." or any number of premanufactured arguments that are repeated ad nauseum. I'm sure people who say these things think they're being original but...

It gets frustrating especially when there's a ton of videos that easily explain what's wrong with the movie. I used to defend Batman v Superman. I'd say "You just don't get it", "You're not a real comics fan", 'You're just a Marvel fanboy" or whatever. Turns out, BvS was just a bad movie. I didn't want to admit it.

TLJ is a bad movie (IMO) It does a lot of things wrong. It's cool if you like it. I still like BvS but I won't ever dismiss the opinion of someone who criticizes it, anymore. But  that doesn't mean that following movies can't be good. I WANT Rise of Skywalker to be great! We shall see.

Agreed! Some of these talking points really DO really remind me of political arguments with how irrelevant they are to the actual topic at hand and how they all seem to be repeating the same points - often to attack the person themselves. Which is pretty bizarre to me when we're dealing with a run-of-the-mill sci-fi film. I mean honestly if it didn't have the Star Wars name slapped on it nobody would give this cheese fest a second look lol.

There's a youtube video (Mauler or something) that dissects and breaks the Last Jedi down to an absurd level of detail and outlines all the things wrong with the film with a ton of highly insightful and nuanced points - and this video series was like 5 hours long! And yes, I'm not too proud to admit I watched all 5 hours lol. It was at that point I realized "ok, this film is OBJECTIVELY bad." I mean, of course you can still like it, more power to ya if you do, (and Mauler mentions this too) but some of these people not only argue that it's actually great, but that those who DON'T like it are the problem in some way. It's laughable. 

It's like, I enjoy Revenge of the Sith. At the same time, I recognize it's objectively NOT a good film. It's a guilty pleasure. And I CERTAINLY am not going to engage in personal attacks on those who DON'T enjoy the film!

Of course that's not to say there isn't a degree of subjectivity in art and entertainment. Of course there is. But there IS also an objective element to some of it. Otherwise someone can simply shit on a painting or something and call it art lol. You've got to draw the line somewhere or it's all meaningless. 



 

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