KLAMarine said:
Shadow1980 said:
And at least the Disney-era films are objectively better as films than the prequels. George Lucas was the kind of filmmaker that worked best within limitations. He was limited by a budget and by editors in A New Hope, and he didn't even direct TESB and ROTJ. The Special Editions were just a taste of what he could do when he wasn't limited to practical effects, and the prequels showed exactly what kind of filmmaker he was when given full creative control and freed from most constraints and anyone to tell him "no." Executive meddling quite often produces a compromised product, but in some cases it's needed. Lucas has a vivid imagination and a lot of vision, but he also needed limitations and clear boundaries and maybe even kept out of the director's chair. The prequels are not bad films (I still watch them and enjoy them, warts and all), but they could have been so much better than they were. The new sequels and spin-off films have far better acting, cinematography, writing, etc.
Don't listen to the haters. The Last Jedi is definitely worth watching. I thought it was a great movie. It wasn't perfect. I thought it had some minor pacing issues in the middle act, and an example of a character doing the whole "stare aghast at the horrible thing for too long before doing anything about it" routine, but I'd rate it a solid 9/10, and it keeps getting better with every rewatch. As mentioned above, as a film it was objectively good (hence the good critic reviews and multiple awards). This whole "TLJ ruined Star Wars forever" meme is just some fans being hyperbolic. Star Wars has supposedly been "RUINED FOREVER" more times than I can recall: Ewoks, the changes made in the Special Editions, Jar Jar, midichlorians, "I hate sand," "NOOOOO!," and so on. If Star Wars survived all of that, I think it can survive The Last Jedi. I think most of the hate is just fans frustrated that the film didn't confirm their headcanon regarding things like how certain characters ought to be portrayed, though some of the hate is clearly political, and comes from the same "anti-SJW" circles that railed against Captain Marvel and the new She-Ra and other films and shows they perceived as "too woke" for their tastes.
I think The Last Jedi is still available on Netflix, so if you have the free time go watch it and decide for yourself if you like it.
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"Disney-era films are objectively better as films than the prequels."
>Not too sure about this. At least the prequels had an end in mind: the rise of Darth Vader. Sequels don't feel like there was a plan to begin with. SOMEHOW, the empire is back and they managed to build a XXL death star without anyone noticing. Rebel alliance are rebels again SOMEHOW.
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Thank you!
These were my thoughts while I was watching TFA:
- "Wait, didn't they defeat the empire at the end of RoTJ? How come everybody is in the exact same place as they were 30 years ago?"
It wasn't until 40 mins into the movie that I realized that the empire was now being called "The New Order," and the Rebel Alliance was now being called "The Resistance."
- "Ok so, where is Luke? Oh, so he left.. hmm.. ok.. better there be a dam good reason to explain why he abandoned everyone to die.. "
- "So this stormtrooper, who had never held a lightsaber before, is actually trading blows with a Sith Lord.."
- "This Rey girl seems nice. She is a survivor who has been forced to fend for herself, I like that. Wait, how is she able to perform a mind control trick if she didn't even know what the force was a couple of days ago? Wait, did she just defeat a Sith Lord?"
That last point is the one that bothers me the most because I keep trying to picture Ashoka defeating Count Dooku in the first movie she appeared in, or Ezra Bridget defeating Darth Vader in the first season of Rebels, and I just can't. It sounds ridiculous to even say it.
How ANYONE could look at this and actually call it "good writing" is beyond me.
PS: Back then I gave TFA a pass because I convinced myself that everything was going to make sense after watching TLJ.
