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goopy20 on 01 October 2019
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Pemalite said:
goopy20 said:

Well at least you're willing to admit that minimum requirements will go up next gen. I've changed the minimum requirements a bit because we simply don't know yet what exactly their real-life performance will be. Some are saying 2080GTX level but realistically speaking I think it will be leaning more towards a RX5700 and 8-core Ryzen cpu. Whatever the case may be, that will be the exact minimum requirements to play these games in a way the developers intended their games to be played. And that doesn't mean 360x360 at the lowest settings on a toaster from 2009.

If you go back several pages you will see that I made the statement that minimum requirements will go up next gen, as it goes up every gen.

But an RX 580 will be gaming for years to come, not at 360x360.

goopy20 said:

Yes, we will see some cross-gen titles that won't require those kind of specs right away. But about a year after launch, developers will move away from the ps4 and then it will be. Just look at the ps4. It came out in 2014 and in 2015 we already had major AAA games coming out that weren't possible to run on a ps3 (or ps3 equivalent gpu) anymore. Huge games like: Batman AC, Infamous, Fall Out 4, Rise of the Tomb raider, AC Unity, Witcher 3, Bloodborne, Battlefront etc. Those were all games that pushed modern budget gpu's of that time (like a 750Ti) to its limits. And if you wanted to play them at pc-master-race settings, you needed to upgrade to something like a 970GTX. 

Developers were building games that demanded more from a PC than Xbox 360/Playstation 3 equivalent specs when the Xbox One and Playstation 4 launched. - The PC had moved on from a Direct X 9 era onto a Direct X 10 and then a Direct X 11 one and that included an entirely new rendering paradigm being pushed in titles at the time like Crysis, Metro, Alien vs Predator with it's crazy tessellation, Battlefield and so on... But that also meant those games were definitively the visual showpiece on the PC, looking almost next-gen compared to the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

That hasn't happened this time, a Radeon 7870 can still run the majority of Playstation 4 games at Playstation 4 levels of quality just fine, older GPU's (Which I provided substantial evidence for) like the Radeon 5870 and 6970 can also play the majority of Playstation 4 games just fine.

Technology has started to stagnate, we aren't doubling performance every year anymore, hardware can last longer, which is why a CPU from 2011 can max out every game in 2019.

goopy20 said:

Now, obviously gpu's like a 970GTX and above, are still perfectly fine nowadays when all games are designed around a 660GTX. But it's still a scientific fact that a 2060 or 2070RTX will be far less capable 2 years from now, then they are now. Basically they will be what the 750Ti was when the ps4 came out, a bare minimum to play ps5 titles at similar graphics settings. And yes, recommended settings will probably be a 2080RTX or higher. It's that simple and even if those games can be made to run on lower spec pc's that's beside the point. Again, my point is that cards like a 1080ti or higher will finally be put to proper use. 

Think older than a 660GTX. A GTX 580 can smash most games at 1080P just fine.

So now you have shifted the goalpost of the RTX 2080 to being recommended rather than minimum? I have to ask if you are just trolling at this point? You aren't being consistent in your assertions.

Ok, so you're basically saying that the Xbox One X/ ps4 pro will run all of the next gen games fine? I'll just be over here, crying in a corner as that kinda sucks.

Look, a 580GTX was a $499 high-end gpu when it was released and is basically the same as a 660GTX. So yeah that would also run any ps4 game just fine. Like I said, anything comparable or higher than the 660GTX that's inside the ps4 will run fine. However, anyone with a lower spec gpu of that time had to upgrade. You have to take things a bit in perspective here. In 2012 the $299 560GTX came out and it was a great card that could run Crysis 2 at max settings at 60fps/ 1080p.

But when the ps4 came out 2 years later, it became pretty much useless overnight. Yes it could still run AC Unity but at 12fps in 720p at the lowest settings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4xQD7AeM2o

Like I said a million times, we don't know exactly how these next gen consoles will perform. But yes, if it's 2060/2070 RTX level, then a 2060/ 2070RTX will be the minimal requirement and a 2080 or higher will probably be recommended to play them at the highest settings. This really isn't rocket science man. Next gen a 1060/ RX580 will be what the 560GTX was when this console generation started. Off course you can always dial down resolution but what you seem to be missing is that console games are not optimized for 4k, they're optimized for 1080p or even 900p in some cases. Meaning, there won't be much head room to play them at lower resolutions on older hardware. If you think a next gen GTA6, looking like minecraft because you have to play it in 460p at the lowest settings, is still playable, then fine man. But for me that is not an acceptable way to play anything.

@Ganoncrotch

I am not sour at all about buying my pc. I actually had a 970GTX that broke down on me and I knew perfectly well that a 1060GTX wasn't much, if any, of an upgrade. There was a time when I did upgrade my gpu every 2 years or so and sure, I wanted to get a 2070GTX instead. But here's the thing. A 2070GTX would have cost me about $450 extra and to me, that just wasn't worth it. I mean why would I, when a 1060GTX can run anything at max settings in 1440p already? I am sure a lot of pc gamers who spend $500 or more on a gpu feel some buying remorse like I had. It's like owning a super car that can go 300mph, but you have nowhere to drive it. Not saying they are completely useless and if you're into VR, or want to play with triple monitors at 120FPS, then I'm sure it's great. But for the average gamer like me, a 2070RTX would be complete overkill at the moment.

Now, unless Permalite is correct and the 1060GTX will run all games fine next gen, I'm aware that I will have to upgrade when the next gen kicks off. I'm not sour about that, in fact I would love to see graphics take a leap that force me to upgrade, instead of playing ps4 games in 4k at 300fps. However by then a 2070GTX will probably cost me around $100 on ebay. That's the beauty of pc, you can always upgrade when it's needed. The whole point I'm trying to make here, and why nobody could name the OP a single game that really takes advantage of his 1080TI, is that we'll have to wait till next gen before we will need to. 

Last edited by goopy20 - on 01 October 2019