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[goopy20]

Pemalite said:

goopy20 said:

I didn't say anyone should just chug their pc in the bin if they don't have a 2700RTX next gen. I'm saying the minimum requirements will go up to match exactly what will be in these consoles for most major releases in 2021. If you want to play those games in 720p at the lowest settings, then fine. But after all the talk about 120FPS, 4k resolution on triple monitors, it doesn't sound like that is a viable option.

So it's an RTX 2700 now? One thing is for sure... You are consistent at being inconsistent.
Yes, minimum requirements will go up next gen.

No, you will not need an RTX 2080.
No, you don't have to game at 120fps, 4k resolution or triple monitors, that isn't what "minimum" means.

Clearly you haven't been reading or paying attention to the evidence presented in this thread if that is the false conclusions you have come up with.

goopy20 said:

Of course, a RX590 is still a very capable mid-range card, it's basically the gpu that sits inside the Xbox One X. What you seem to be missing, however, is that the ps4 came out 7 years ago and all major games we're seeing right now are designed for the ps4. Keep in mind that the ps4 has a gpu that came out 5 years before the RX590. We will have to see how a RX590 compares to the ps5's gpu, but do you honestly believe the RX590 will be able to keep up? If so then I will be seriously disappointed and the OP still won't have any games that'll really make use of his 2080ti.

What you seem to be forgetting is that the Radeon 7870 which is a GPU found in the Playstation 4 is able to play the bulk of PC games at Playstation 4 levels of image quality.

I was using the Radeon 5870 as an example of old PC's playing newer games just fine, a GPU that predates the Playstation 4 and Radeon 7870, please, read the information and evidence presented instead of blatantly ignoring it.

The Radeon RX 590 is a very capable mid-range card, like you said. - And it's very comparable to the GPU in the Xbox One X, but it's also a GPU that is significantly inferior to a Geforce RTX 2080, which you claim will be the minimum requirement when next-gen consoles launch.

The RX 590 isn't going to become suddenly useless overnight because next-gen consoles launched, it will still be capable of running the latest games, just at reduced visual settings, that is the entire point of this discussion, that you don't need to upgrade to the latest and greatest to have a good gaming experience.

goopy20 said:

Let me just ask you this. What exactly are you expecting from these next gen consoles?  

I have already answered this question, I suggest you go back and re-read my statements.

goopy20 said:

I mean, if a 590RX will be fine next gen, then please explain to me why anyone would wanna buy the next Xbox, when the Xbox One X already has a RX590 in it? You're basically saying that MS doesn't even need to release a new console as they already have the Xbox X on the market for 2 years now...  

Next-gen's biggest benefits aren't all tied up in the shiny new GPU, the current generation consoles launched with terrible CPU's and only average amounts of RAM.

But Ray Tracing is next-gens trump card on the visual front, people will buy the latest and greatest console just for that.

goopy20 said:

It's what game publishers write on the back of the box. You honestly believe they would lock out a huge slice of potential customers just for fun and giggles? Like I said, they write it so customers don't cry in outrage about lackluster porting and demand refunds if their game runs like donkey poo on anything below the minimum requirements.

Funny how you didn't reply to the rest, though, as I'm actually dying to know if you expect any leap from these next gen consoles at all? Also, please explain to me why anyone would want to buy the Scarlett when the Xbox One X already has a RX590? A gpu, you say is more than capable of running these next gen games. 

No game publisher has written the minimum hardware requirements for 4k, 120fps on the back of a PC box, ignoring the fact that PC game boxes generally don't exist anymore anyway... Haha

The RX 590 and Xbox One X will both be capable of running next-gen games for several years until we transition from 8th to 9th gen, just like how it took a few years to transition from 7th gen to 8th gen and how it took a few years to transition from 6th gen to 7th gen.

Well at least you're willing to admit that minimum requirements will go up next gen. I've changed the minimum requirements a bit because we simply don't know yet what exactly their real-life performance will be. Some are saying 2080GTX level but realistically speaking I think it will be leaning more towards a RX5700 and 8-core Ryzen cpu. Whatever the case may be, that will be the exact minimum requirements to play these games in a way the developers intended their games to be played. And that doesn't mean 360x360 at the lowest settings on a toaster from 2009.

Yes, we will see some cross-gen titles that won't require those kind of specs right away. But about a year after launch, developers will move away from the ps4 and then it will be. Just look at the ps4. It came out in 2014 and in 2015 we already had major AAA games coming out that weren't possible to run on a ps3 (or ps3 equivalent gpu) anymore. Huge games like: Batman AC, Infamous, Fall Out 4, Rise of the Tomb raider, AC Unity, Witcher 3, Bloodborne, Battlefront etc. Those were all games that pushed modern budget gpu's of that time (like a 750Ti) to its limits. And if you wanted to play them at pc-master-race settings, you needed to upgrade to something like a 970GTX. 

Now, obviously gpu's like a 970GTX and above, are still perfectly fine nowadays when all games are designed around a 660GTX. But it's still a scientific fact that a 2060 or 2070RTX will be far less capable 2 years from now, then they are now. Basically they will be what the 750Ti was when the ps4 came out, a bare minimum to play ps5 titles at similar graphics settings. And yes, recommended settings will probably be a 2080RTX or higher. It's that simple and even if those games can be made to run on lower spec pc's that's beside the point. Again, my point is that cards like a 1080ti or higher will finally be put to proper use. 

Last edited by goopy20 - on 30 September 2019