Finally joined the PC Master Race

[Bofferbrauer2]

Ganoncrotch said:

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Here, RX 560 for 99€, which is around 85 British pounds: https://www.alternate.de/ASRock/Radeon-RX560-Phantom-Gaming-2G-Grafikkarte/html/product/1482494?

On the other hand, I couldn't find a 780Ti that wasn't way more expensive than 85 pounds. This might be a regional thing, but in Germany, even a 760 costs 125€ on Amazon.de, with a 780Ti over 150€. At that price point, you're better off buying a 1060 or RX 580 instead and call it a day.

€99+6 postage works out at around 95 or so pounds, CEX charges 1.50 for postage of items so ... yeah it's close to the same price, but again.... you're talking about less than half the performance for more money.

Regardless of your country btw you probably have services there for buying from other countries and delivering them to you, just like... for the UK stores some of them don't ship to Ireland but we've got 2 big companies who will accept packages on behalf of us Paddies from UK stores and forward them on for a lil extra fee, could be worth looking into in case you're limited to certain stores in your region some point down the line.

1060 is a neat enough purchase in 2019 though, performance wise that card is perfectly in line with the best you could get from a older gen 780TI and even the lower end version has the same 3GB of video memory that the 780ti had

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-780-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-3GB/2165vs3646

The one I keep banging on about to people though is that new AMD 5700 or 5700XT, the price point is mid range but it reaches upwards of 1080 in terms of benchmarks, If I was going for an upgrade from my current main PC gpu (a 980TI) I would consider that 5700XT as the next step.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-5700-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1080/4046vs3603

That's the non xt comparison, the XT is actually 15% faster than the 1080 and yeah... you see the price of those cards on amazon and such https://www.amazon.co.uk/PowerColor-Radeon-5700-Graphic-Card/dp/B07TB5LFGM/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=5700&qid=1569652336&s=gateway&sr=8-4 309 for that, very respectable for what's in the box.

Well, shipping from and to the UK is getting complicated due to Brexit, so I wasn't looking up what the prices are there. In Germany, the 780Ti is totally unavailable, and the last price I saw was 220€, nothing anywhere near 100€ or even 85 pounds. Even used ones on ebay go for over 120€ plus price of delivery (which is generally pretty high on ebay). Hence why I looked for other hardware around that pricetag, and the choices were mostly just RX 550,RX 560 and GeForce 1030 or weaker used hardware, like the 760.

Compare the 780Ti with the RX 580 and the 1060 and you'll see almost exactly the same points on each side, the game benchmarks cancel each other out: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-780-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-580/2165vs3923. But with it's 8GB of RAM it's more future-proof then the other two, especially with the 3GB variant of the 1060.

And I agree on the 5700(XT), they took NVidia by surprise, keeping up with the Super variants of the 2060 and 2070 but at a considerably lower pricetag. The only downside was the lack of non-reference design models at launch, but since then it has really become the cards you should pivot to in the 300-500$/€/£ price range.

goopy20 said:

Chazore said:
Since we've had talk about "games being designed for consoles", David Cage had a recent interview, in which their future games will now be designed with PC in mind:

https://www.onlysp.com/david-cage-quantic-dream-interview-heavy-rain-beyond-two-souls-detroit-become-human/

Also, just to reiterate:

I don't know man. I think consoles will always be were the money is at for developers. Just look at the sales of a game like AC Oddysey. 72% Of it comes from ps4, 26% from Xbox and only 2% from pc.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/393568/assassins-creed-odyssey-sells-an-estimated-14-million-units-first-week-at-retail/

This is exactly why nobody is making games that truly push the latest pc hardware. I mean the OP was asking for anyone to name a few games that could push his 2080Ti and he's still waiting for an answer. The truth is, those games simply don't exist yet but they will be... as soon as the next gen console games come out. 

How could I miss this post of yours?

Only 2% come from PC... at Retail, which is already 99% digital. Many games don't even get physical releases anymore on PC outside of collector's editions with physical goodies and feelies.

The entire videogame market on consoles, including DLC, subscriptions and the like (but no hardware sales, like consoles or controllers), is worth about 28 billion dollars. The entire videogame market on PC, including DLC, subscriptions and the like (again without hardware sales), is slightly higher, at 29.5 billions. What's more, PC gaming is outgrowing console gaming, which is stalling and not projected to grow past 30 billion before 2020 (the end of the chart), while PC gaming is expected to do so this year and grow to about 34 billions next year. Before 2015, console gaming was bigger than PC gaming, yet the latter has not only catched up, but now overtaken consoles in terms of revenue from games. Here's the data if you want to know more.

Oh, and the reason why nobody makes games to push a 2080Ti is that the 2080Ti only has less than 1% GPU market share. That's like expecting someone to declare developing games exclusively for the Wii U now.

This is also the reason why games, despite consoles having 8 cores, were running just fine on only 4 threads until 2017. When Ryzen entered the scene and made more than 4 cores and double digit threads mainstream and Intel following up with 6 cores, they reached the critical mass to develop for more cores. Before Ryzen that market would have been limited to only core i7 and maybe FX 6xxx/8xxx/9xxx users, which was simply too small and limiting the potential clientele if they didn't optimize for 4 threads.

Random_Matt said:
Are some people still thinking PS5 will compete with a RTX 2080?

I think that's a pretty clear yes, at least reading from goopy's comments here.

Or in other words, they expect a $600+ GPU in a $500 console. A piece of hardware with a TDP of 300W in an console which normally just gets 200-220W TDP total.

Or in short, they don't understand the economics of either consoles or computing in general. Just look my rant above on that part.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 29 September 2019