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goopy20 on 25 September 2019
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Pemalite said:
goopy20 said:

I'm sorry but it's pointless to show me benchmarks of games that can still run on a 5870. Sure, there are always games that run at 120fps on a toaster but it's silly to think that you can play any modern game you want at playable settings on a 5870. I know because I recently bought a whole new pc as I couldn't bare the frustration anymore. 

Benchmarks are evidence.
So what you are saying is that you are against any evidence provided? Wow.





Either way, I am refuting your comments not to change your mind, but for others who peruse the forums... Thus the evidence just makes your arguments look like you have an extreme confirmation bias and thus you don't have any real argument to present.

In short those videos proves that a Radeon 5870 can run:
* Overwatch. - Perfectly playable, 1080P, High Settings.
* Sea of Thieves. - Perfectly playable, 30fps. 1080P.
* Fortnite. 1080P, 60fps.
* For Honor. 1080P. 60fps.
* Battlefield 1/5 1080P. 30fps.

GTA 5, FarCry 5, Dirt 4, Rainbow Six: Siege, Witcher 3... Again. All playable on a 10 year old Radeon 5870.


Meaning your argument that you need the latest and greatest GPU's on PC "because of the consoles" is actually redundant.


goopy20 said:

I know a modern pc can run current games at 260 fps with triple monitors and whatnot, but that's the whole point. Running games at 120fps is complete overkill and if you can run games like that, it just means the hardware isn't really being taken advantage of.

120fps is overkill? Clearly you have never used a 120hz monitor otherwise you wouldn't be saying that.

You should do some research on refresh rate and why it is important and why you need a framerate to match.

http://gaminghardwarereviews.com/monitors/monitor-refresh-rate/

goopy20 said:

Fact is that there are very few proper games being developed by top developers who bother to really take advantage of cutting edge pc hardware and it's not really a mystery why that is either. No developer is going to risk making a game on a AAA budget that only 1% of the gaming population can run.

Majority of multiplats take advantage of cutting edge PC technology. Control is the latest example.


PC also has exclusives which I listed prior such as StarCitizen which are visual showpieces.

Thus your argument is entirely without merit and can be dropped into the "fake news" category, it's been proven otherwise.

goopy20 said:

You're making it sound like like Ray Tracing is the norm on pc, even though it only works on 2000 RTX cards and a 1080ti can barely play Metro at 15fps with Ray Tracing enabled in 1080p.

Can you see the contradiction in your statements?
Let me point it out:

goopy20 said:

You're making it sound like like Ray Tracing is the norm on pc, even though it only works on 2000 RTX cards

And:

goopy20 said:

1080ti can barely play Metro at 15fps with Ray Tracing enabled in 1080p.

As for Ray Tracing, it is most certainly able to be the norm on PC. - There is an application that uses the depth buffer to enable Ray Tracing, hence why we can have Ray Tracing in any game, even Crysis from 2007, which released 12 years ago.

See here:

goopy20 said:

Also, if the rumors are true and the next gen consoles do have hardware ray tracing support, it basically means everyone who doesn't own a 2000RTX gpu will need to upgrade to play most multi platform games. Personally I think that would be awesome and I would love to see AAA games taking full advantage of things like Ray tracing. I'm not trying to attack pc gaming here and maybe I can still run some games on my 1060GTX when the ps5 comes out. But as a graphics enthusiast, I would be disappointed if I could, that's all. 

The rumors? Microsoft have outright stated that their console will have hardware accelerated Ray Tracing, Sony hasn't made such a confirmation AFAIK, but they have stated they will support Ray Tracing.

And no. Everyone who doesn't own a 2000 series RTX GPU will need to upgrade to play most multi-plats. - You do know you can turn visual settings on and off right?

goopy20 said:

Also, I didn't reply to Star Ship Citizen because I don't count that as a proper game. I does look amazing, though. And I do hope it ever gets released. 

It is most certainly a proper game. - And it's being released in "modules".

All, I'm saying is that benchmarks of which 10 year old gpu can still run ps4 titles nowadays is pointless. The point is that the limits of current gen consoles have been reached, hence why new consoles will come out next year. We still have to wait for the exact specs but yes, Ray Tracing will no doubt be the standard. So how can you then still say something like a 1060 GTX will be able to run these next gen games, when a 2080ti can't even chug out 20 fps with ray tracing enabled? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmleyuN7-Ew

Of course, your can turn down graphic settings. But if you want equal or even better graphics compared to the next gen consoles, you simply will need a 2080RTX or better and a 8 core cpu to run them.