The Fall of Xbox - Video by Videogamedunkey

[Ganoncrotch]

Azzanation said:

Ganoncrotch said:

To say that last Gen Xbox was great across the board is some strong revisionist history which would have to ignore the fact that every single non HDMI Xbox360 is pretty much landfill fodder today because of the $1b+ costing RROD disaster, E74, Faulty scratching disk drives, non reading Xbox360 slim disc drives... I mean, from a hardware point of view the X360 was powerful but terrible in reliability.

The end of (or from the middle of) last gen MS and XB as a division also turned their back on the core side of gaming and chased hard for the Blue Ocean that the wii was swimming in with the hard push @ Kinect which not only torpedo'd the end of last gen for them but completely ruined the start of this generation for them.

Like I say though... to look back on the X360 and think that the whole gen was all roses requires a lot of things be forgotten, mostly the start and end of the generation, it's that bit in the middle where it was amazing.

This isnt about weather its all roses or not. No console is perfect and they all have had there fair share of issues. Its about the overall success of the platforms. Only difference is with the 360, all the billions it cost to build and fix issues with where basically paid off via Gold memberships. MS was sitting on a gold mine with subscriptors and they did it for more than a decade. Thats alot of income coming from nothing.

Kinect was successful and is in the Guinness Book of records for the fastest selling electronic accessory. Lets not forget Sony did the exact same thing with less success with the PS Move. So that point is not a valid one.

The PS3 did not have that luxury of subs so every time there was an issue, Sony basically had to bite the bullet on top of there already heavily expensive console expenses etc.

My point about Kinect was that once it appeared MS focused a ton of their work and attention on the device, Rare was pretty much just assigned as a Kinect minigame producer for the latter years of the X360 and while Sony did create the move and the PSeye which do work with the ps4 as well as 3 (as in the PS3 move works with the PS4) they didn't completely stop their work on some amazing ps3 titles towards the end of the systems life (the last of us) or hamper the PS4 by packing it with Move 2.0 as Microsoft did with the Kinect, that's why I'm saying the Kinect was the catalyst in the failing end of the X360 and the start of the rough road the X1 began on.

Also saying that Xbox360 subs was incoming from nothing? Say what? Outside of the obvious costs of running and maintaining the service from June 2013 until now that sub gives 2-4 games per month to the subscribers, are you suggesting that it no cash passes to the third parties who's games are added to that service? for the million or so licenses of them which are gotten by subscribers you think there is no cost for MS involved in that transaction, on top of the bandwidth of people downloading tons of games they might never play just because they're now "free" to them, X360 games in particular since those could be used even after your live sub expires. Point being, that isn't money from nothing.