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Torillian on 29 August 2019
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o_O.Q said:
Torillian said:

I would argue that mutilation has a negative connotation that you would never use for other similar medical procedures. I addressed this when I said I wouldn't call tracheotomies or getting your ears pierced mutilation either. This also addresses your second statement on how I skipped over "cutting away healthy tissue" (I didn't).

Mutilate can mean that, but then we aren't doing it to small children. Unless we stretch the term small children to include 17 year olds. The statement I was addressing requires that small children are being mutilated. Not that someone is mutilated or that small children have other medical procedures happening, but that small children are being mutilated. 

Puberty blockers are thus tangential to something you could define as mutilation if you define surgical gender reassignment as mutilation, but they are not themselves mutilation. Thus, small children are not being mutilated. 

"I would argue that mutilation has a negative connotation that you would never use for other similar medical procedures. "

true, why do you figure someone would use language with a negative connotation to discuss this topic?

" I addressed this when I said I wouldn't call tracheotomies or getting your ears pierced mutilation either."

I suppose at the time I didn't believe you could be making a comparison between cutting off major body parts and tiny incisions for ornaments or for breathing

but now that I've thought on it a bit i have to admit that the comparison makes sense

"Puberty blockers are thus tangential to something you could define as mutilation if you define surgical gender reassignment as mutilation, but they are not themselves mutilation. Thus, small children are not being mutilated. "

ok so lets say we put a kid on puberty blockers and we stop them from going through puberty... which means of course that we've arrested the natural development of their bodies and their primary and secondary sexual characteristics 

what happens next? they just continue through life with an undeveloped body?

Because they are not as neutral as they wanted to appear, as I stated.

Don't really know what to say here, some people put gigantic gauges in their ears. Is that finally mutilation or does this only apply to gender reassignment surgery?

You take puberty blockers until a final decision is made to transition, after which I believe one goes on hormone therapy, and finally if they so choose, surgery to reassign the gender. Now the arguments you have made so far have only been for how the surgery could be thought of as mutilation, and that part isn't happening to small children so my original point stands. 



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