Spider-Man no longer in the MCU after disagreement between Sony and Disney (UPDATE #2): Sony releases statement

[DonFerrari]

RaptorChrist said:

JRPGfan said:

You read it WRONG :P

Sony made 1.1bn on their own Spiderman movie  (we re not talking about avengers or the like here).
Not something disney makes.

Basically Sony does all the hard work, makeing the entire movie, putting in the risk (capital/funding) and production ect.
And disney comes along and says "give us 50%" (or we take away your movie director + wont allow spiderman in MCU movies anymore).

This isnt about the MCU, but the Spiderman movies that Sony themselves make.
Disney wants 50% of the profits sony makes on them..... dispite Sony owning the IP and doing everything themselves for the movie.

Disney is basically bullying them for no reason, when its clear they dont deserve to just magically get 50% of the profits for no reason.
Yet in this thread, you see people writeing "screw sony" ect. and sideing with Disney.

I see where my confusion came from...

Disney saw Sony makeing $1.1bn on their last Spiderman movie and their like "we want half of the next movie you do", if we help you with the director + MCU appearences of Spiderman.

You used "their" to refer to two different subjects in the same sentence, so I inferred that it was Disney's Spiderman movie. :P

Anyways, yeah, it's a shame that the superheroes can't all be together, and it seems like this doesn't bode well for Spidey fans. I don't watch much of the superhero movies but it's still interesting to me nonetheless.

It really depends man. In this thread it seem a lot of Spidey fans are fine with it not being part of MCU.

S.Peelman said:

JRPGfan said:

You read it WRONG :P

Sony made 1.1bn on their own Spiderman movie  (we re not talking about avengers or the like here).
Not something disney makes.

Basically Sony does all the hard work, makeing the entire movie, putting in the risk (capital/funding) and production ect.
And disney comes along and says "give us 50%" (or we take away your movie director + wont allow spiderman in MCU movies anymore).

This isnt about the MCU, but the Spiderman movies that Sony themselves make.
Disney wants 50% of the profits sony makes on them..... dispite Sony owning the IP and doing everything themselves for the movie.

Disney is basically bullying them for no reason, when its clear they dont deserve to just magically get 50% of the profits for no reason.
Yet in this thread, you see people writeing "screw sony" ect. and sideing with Disney.

Sony doesn’t own anything.

This isn’t a shared ownership or Pokémon-like construction, Spiderman is fully owned by Marvel, which is fully owned by Disney. Spiderman is Disney’s property. Similarly, EA doesn’t own Star Wars. Sony owns a licence to make Spiderman movies, left-over from when Marvel, who were handing out licences like candy, was independant, like how Fox owned a licence to make X-Men movies. Or Universal a licence for theme park attractions. Obviously Disney wants that all back, to redistribute as they see fit. This also means I doubt Sony gets anything from merchandising or anything else regardless, but that’s another thing. 

Sony probably has a much better deal with the Spiderman movie licence than say, EA has with the Star Wars game licence though, and that’s their luck.

Generally speaking, not directly aimed at you, JRPGfan;

I think some of you are jumping to conclusions. So Spiderman made over a billion at the box-office. Sure this is a plus, but I highly doubt this is the prime motivator for Disney to tighten the strings. A billion in movie gross is nothing special for Disney anymore. Pretty much everything they touch reaches that nowadays. The Lion King is far past that already. Spiderman isn’t that special, even in the MCU. Ignoring Avengers of course, even Captain Marvel beat it. An Iron Man and a Captain America are above it. Black Panther has run a circle around Spiderman. I’m positive some of the upcoming MCU movies are going to easily beat Spiderman as well, and this is all with a surely inflated number for a modern Spiderman movie because of it’s connection to the MCU.

Secondly, I see comparisons with the Raimi Spiderman films, about how Sony can make a more successful Spiderman film than Disney/Marvel can. But that’s not a good comparison. Those movies are old now, and had little competition in the superhero genre. I’d say the fact that the Raimi films all easily beat the new Spiderman films, adjusted for inflation, actually bodes pretty badly for a stand-alone new Sony Spiderman film, if even the Marvel backing couldn’t do it.

Finally, I see people being pissed about supposed Sony blaming here in this thread. However, meanwhile I’m seeing a whole lot more Disney bashing in here, which seems to be fine. Comes across as a bit hypocritical, but whatever I don’t know.

And before this statement gets me being accused of defending Disney or being a Disney-fanboy, a Sony-hater or whatever, don’t bother, it’s not like that, I’m Switzerland.

You may say you are not defending Disney, but you are defending what they done. And in this case there was already an agreement and Disney want more, so any lack of acceptance or defaulting the deal is on Disney. It is very simple.

If Disney want the IP back pay for it instead of bullying while pretending to be a nice guy.