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colafitte on 21 August 2019
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DonFerrari said:
RaptorChrist said:

What is Sony's role in these movies? I haven't watched many of the MCU movies and I don't know the details here, but isn't Disney doing the work to make the films? And Sony is making money for owning the IP? I assume I'm wrong about that, as I don't see people calling Disney greedy if that were the case, but at least that was my understanding?

Or do you think Disney is greedy because they initially struck a deal but now want more money than before?

Just trying to understand if the opinions I'm seeing are biased or legit.

Sony doesn't have a role in the Avengers movies. Sony doesn't make a cent from the use of Spider-Man on the movies.

Disney make money of the Spider Man movie even though they don't participate in it, they take all the money on the merchandise and wanted to make more money on the movie by forcing Sony to allow them to participate on it. So they were butting in and demanding more, and want to be seem as good guys in it.

colafitte said:

Another thing that pisses me off is people saying Sony wouldn't be able to reach this level of success with Spiderman on their own without Disney. They have no fucking clue about what they're talking.

When you adjust the inflation to current days, the original trilogy was way more profitable than MCU films in USA. You can absolutely say that all of them would've been 1100-1300M movies worldwide, and this was in a time when the asian market was not as important as is today, because then, those movies could've been 1500M or more easily.

Homecoming did barely better than the first Garfield movie. It can be said that the only Sony Spiderman movie that really "bombed" was  second one. 

When a movie like Venom, with all the bad press it received, made 860M worldwide...., come on...., of course a new only Sony Spiderman movie can make more than 1000M. 

Being clueless is part of being human. And hating Sony and faulting it for everything (and also taking any merit for any success) is a common place in VGC.

And I'll say I liked the original trilogy more than the Tom Holland one, he is just to dumb, well no only him but other heroes involved in the movie were all turned dumb (even though said to be genius of all type). I just hate entertainment that say a char is brilliant but fail to see even the obvious all the time, and almost always are less smart than myself.

Yes, i feel the same. The first 2 Raimi movies are full of classic scenes. Spider-Man 2 is in fact, is my favorite superhero movie, it has such a heart that no super hero movie after that one has reached to me.

Tom Holland is a funny guy, i like him in fact, but his Peter/Spiderman has never worked for me. He is by far the most incompetent Spiderman i've seen. He just makes mistakes after mistakes and i always have the feeling he is always a step behind against anyone. I always envisioned Spiderman as the smartest guy in the room, always prepared to every circumstance. Peter can be a loser, but Spiderman has to be "Amazing".

The last one had an amazing pair of scenes with Mysterio, but besides that, everytime i see this MCU Spiderman, i feel......second class super hero.