Spider-Man no longer in the MCU after disagreement between Sony and Disney (UPDATE #2): Sony releases statement

[DonFerrari]

RaptorChrist said:

JRPGfan said:

Yes, it was and is.... for another 2 movies (I believe).
This is Disney going back on the words or contract (or possibly related to future films after these 2).

"I mean, I don't see any good reason why Disney and Sony would be happy with a deal and then suddenly nothing anymore?"

Greed is a good motive..... Disney saw Sony makeing $1.1bn on their last Spiderman movie and their like "we want half of the next movie you do", if we help you with the director + MCU appearences of Spiderman.

It all just boils down to greed.
Disney is makeing money hand over fist, they really dont have to screw over sony, to make a quick buck.
Plus the relationship right now, as benefiting everyone.

Its just greed, by disney.

What is Sony's role in these movies? I haven't watched many of the MCU movies and I don't know the details here, but isn't Disney doing the work to make the films? And Sony is making money for owning the IP? I assume I'm wrong about that, as I don't see people calling Disney greedy if that were the case, but at least that was my understanding?

Or do you think Disney is greedy because they initially struck a deal but now want more money than before?

Just trying to understand if the opinions I'm seeing are biased or legit.

Sony doesn't have a role in the Avengers movies. Sony doesn't make a cent from the use of Spider-Man on the movies.

Disney make money of the Spider Man movie even though they don't participate in it, they take all the money on the merchandise and wanted to make more money on the movie by forcing Sony to allow them to participate on it. So they were butting in and demanding more, and want to be seem as good guys in it.

colafitte said:

DonFerrari said:

1 - It is that disney is so benevolent that they want to double the budget of the movie to make it much better so Sony can profit more, Disney will take the loss out of their good heart and small value SpiderMan add to MCU.

2 - Yes, sharing costs and profits could be good for Sony on something that is a risk investment. On a sure investment if you can do all of it by yourself it would be much better. And if you need money the bank will charge you interest rates that is much lesser than 400M of your profit in this case.

Yep for me the current deal is already very much better to Disney than to Sony, and they want even more and faulty Sony for not allowing to be bullied as Disney have been able to do to others without resistance.

Another thing that pisses me off is people saying Sony wouldn't be able to reach this level of success with Spiderman on their own without Disney. They have no fucking clue about what they're talking.

When you adjust the inflation to current days, the original trilogy was way more profitable than MCU films in USA. You can absolutely say that all of them would've been 1100-1300M movies worldwide, and this was in a time when the asian market was not as important as is today, because then, those movies could've been 1500M or more easily.

Homecoming did barely better than the first Garfield movie. It can be said that the only Sony Spiderman movie that really "bombed" was  second one. 

When a movie like Venom, with all the bad press it received, made 860M worldwide...., come on...., of course a new only Sony Spiderman movie can make more than 1000M. 

Being clueless is part of being human. And hating Sony and faulting it for everything (and also taking any merit for any success) is a common place in VGC.

And I'll say I liked the original trilogy more than the Tom Holland one, he is just to dumb, well no only him but other heroes involved in the movie were all turned dumb (even though said to be genius of all type). I just hate entertainment that say a char is brilliant but fail to see even the obvious all the time, and almost always are less smart than myself.