Pemalite said:
Azzanation said:
Alright so do you honestly believe if they take the guns away from the people (it will be the only way to come anywhere close to stopping shootings, we cannot just place laws as laws can be broken) that it will actually stop shootings? You believe that a criminal master mind or some mental head wont be able to get a gun or cause a massive crime scene in the US?
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Uh. It's not taking guns away from people... You are looking at it incorrectly. - You do not loose your constitutional right to bear arms.
You need to educate yourself on what Australia did, how it did it and why it did what it did... Because it worked.
Even if Australia has a massacre tomorrow, the gun legislation that it brought in decades ago still worked, the scheme was successful.
Essentially the first phase was the legislative phase, this is where the debates were had... Where Pro-gun nuts used the same arguments you did... (And were historically proven incorrect!) From there we formed and came up with the new laws and legislation that would go on to form the ground work of our gun control scheme.
The second phase was a voluntary gun buy-back scheme, where you would go to the Police station and hand in your weapon for cash, this reduced the amount of devices in the country substantially, people rushed to it.
The third phase was where education of the population would occur, to guide people through the appropriate avenues to purchase weapons, how to store weapons, how to use the weapons... For example we need to store guns in a locked safe, bolted to the ground with an active alarm system monitoring it. (I.E. No gun stored in a shoebox for a kid to reach into!)
It is a process... It is a process that still continues. - The guns didn't just disappear from existence over night you know and there is a talk for another buy-back effort after the last couple were so successful.
Azzanation said:
What if after banning guns, another shooting happens, what will they take away next? Video Games?
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Isn't that what they are talking about in the USA anyway despite guns being legal? Ergo your argument holds zero weight.
...But our Gun control works, so we aren't even having this discussion in Australia!
Azzanation said:
Australia is a heavily monitored country where the lack of freedom is laughable compared to the US. You cannot do anything in Australia without being looked at or fined. Cannot even lower your car height to much without it being illegal. But hey, if lowering a car too low is a danger to lives than I guess it makes sense.. oh wait it has nothing to do with saving lives. Its government control. Heck we have the most speed cameras in the world compared to anywhere else because placing cameras down hills and on roads where the speed changes drastically helps prevent lives.. or is it a money making industry? hmm
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This is absolutely Fake news.
You can lower your car. - You can lower your car by no more than one-third of the original suspension travel that was set when the car was manufactured.. And there is very fundamental reasons for such limits... And it results in me going out to less car accidents and cutting gear heads out of vehicles.
Australia's "Freedoms" ranks far more highly than the United States in various indices. - Have you not done your research?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_and_surveillance_by_country
As for being heavily monitored... That is laughable when compared to the nation who pushed for the NSA to have Mass Surveillance on all American Citizens! Hahahaha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_States
And Australia is worst off? Puhlease.
Azzanation said:
Drugs and Guns are very different. If you are saying they are the same thing than we might as well put everything into the same barrel. Everything can kill you so we need to monitor and restrict everyone from doing everything. We live in a Country that is so controlled its beyond a joke. We gave in to Gun laws a long time ago, but than shortly after, we gave them everything else, video games getting banned, knifes getting banned, bats, Cars cannot be lowered or have neon lights, highly restricted on modifying cars etc. Australia gave in and now basically we lost more than just guns. People waste there money paying fines they cannot afford because of our government.
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Yes Drugs and Guns are very different, that isn't up for dispute.
But what is the same is the reasoning/excuses that you can use to justify both, meaning your original argument is highly flawed.
We also have not lost access to guns. You can still buy and own guns. - Stop with the fake news!
Azzanation said:
My final opinion on this matter is I am all for adding more gun laws and removing guns form the streets however.. I don't believe it will solve the shootings. US is too deep with its own problems that the only way to stop these shootings is to actually find these mental idiots and remove them from the streets.
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Again, we need to look at what has worked. And Gun control has proven to work in more than 1 nation.
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