Ganoncrotch said:
So it still going to come back to... unless we go sit down in someones spare room with them for a day and observe us not getting shot while staying there... that means that there is no gun/murder issue in the States? Or while people are from another country we are not able to observe numbers or understand what being murdered means?

From Wiki on the subject, regarding US VS Developed countries.
The U.S. is ranked 4th out of 34 developed nations for the highest incidence rate of homicides committed with a firearm, according to Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) data. Mexico, Turkey, Estonia are ranked ahead of the U.S. in incidence of homicides. A U.S. male aged 15–24 is 70 times more likely to be killed with a gun than their counterpart in the eight (G-8) largest industrialized nations in the world (United Kingdom, France, Germany, Japan, Canada, Italy, Russia).

Now.... you might think, 70 times sounds crazy because you haven't been shot, but those figures aren't drawn up from a magic 8 ball or from my Irish flag... those are figures, they are the statistics, I'm not sure why there is some sort of rebellion against the numbers being a thing which explain the number of gun homicide right there in black and white. Could people at least put forwards another possible reason for the 70x increased chance of murder by gun there for that age bracket? Maybe the matrix was more popular in the states and people are still doing test trials to see if they're Neo?


Or is the USA version of the youtube prank going wrong just... something that can go extra wrong because guns are present.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/youtube-shooting-death-monalisa-perez-pedro-ruiz-a8257411.html
That story still blows me away when you see the power of the gun she used on her husband.

Obviously you can have an opinion on anything you want. That's not what I'm talking about, and you know it. There are people in this thread talking about "gun culture" and other aspects of the American experience that have no expertise in these areas.  And, that's fine.  What is not fine is to act as though the experts (in this case, the people that live in the USA) don't know what they're talking about, because their opinions don't align with ones cherry picked statistics.  

A good half of this thread is about American culture and life in the USA. Everyone should be welcome to participate in that thread. But, trying to tell the Americans that they are wrong about their own lives and their own culture is, frankly, laughably ridiculous.