SpokenTruth said:
Azzanation said:
Death is death, doesnt matter what form a killer uses to kill someone. Take the guns away, they will hijack a Bus and ram it into a shopping centre and kill even more people.
The issue is not from the items they use as its been proven that people can have guns and video games and still be sane. Russia has guns yet there school shootings are kept to a low.
The real issue is having mental people who want to kill on there mind walk the streets. This has been a human issue since the beginning of man not just since we created guns.
End of the day, take guns away from killers, they will find other means to kill. Its what they want to do, its not something they wake up in the morning asking themselves.. "hmm i have guns, lets go kill people" or "hmm i have no guns i cannot kill people" thinking. Its quite simply a disorder that needs to be addressed and monitored.
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So how does Russia keep them so low? What does Russia do that we do not?
VAMatt said:
I am American, and my level of concern, on a scale of 1-10 (with 1 being not at all concerned), is probably about a 2. And, my level of concern is elevated not because I think we have a mass shooting problem, but because I see a risk of overreaction based on media hype. This thread really is evidence of the damage that media hype does. There truly just isn't a significant problem. Literally nobody in the US is scared of getting shot in a random-ish violence incident, but there are a bunch of people here with wild and crazy thoughts about gun violence in the US based purely on the outrageous stuff they've heard on the news and in Facebook posts.
In any case, the statistic that you used is being thrown around a lot. I obviously haven't studied every case. But, as near as I can tell, they left out Italian Mafia-like organized crime, but included the less sophisticated corner street gang crime. My sense is that there have been about 5 events, maybe 7 or 8, that actually fit the definition that people have in their heads when they think of "mass shooting".
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And what is your definition? What do you believe is the average person's definition? Is it 10+? That's 3 just this year. 4 last year. 2 in 2017. 1 in 2016. 2 in 2015. None in 2014. 1 in 2013. 2 in 2012. 7 in the 2000s. 4 in the 1990s. See a trend? It's getting worse by the decade. The 70s had 2 and the 60s had just 1. 15 this decade. That's already twice your figure of 7-8 and 3 times your initial guess of 5.
Or do you need a body count higher than 10 to qualify?
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It's not about body count so much as it's something where the victims were chosen basically at random. The vast majority of these things that the media is calling mass shooting are related to other criminal activity.
But, I will say that most people are thinking of something with at least a handful dead. That stat everyone is quoting includes events with zero deaths. That certainly is not what most people think of when they hear "mass shooting".
