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Torillian on 06 August 2019
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irstupid said:
pokoko said:

This is what you said, "I was to move from here to the USA my chances of dying to a gun increase nearly 15x, sorry if that fact based on numbers upsets you living in the states, but you are 15 times more likely than me to die to a gun."  I'm posting it again so you can't pretend you didn't say it.  

So I get this straight, you think if you move to New Hampshire, at state with a homicide rate of 1 per 100,000 people, that it would be the same as moving to Louisiana, a state with a 12.4 homicide rate?  I mean, you look at those two states and you cannot see the difference?  

No, I'm not 15 times more likely to die to a gun than you.  First, I don't live anywhere near a poor metropolitan area, which is where most gun violence occurs.  Second, most gun deaths in the United States are suicides, which doesn't apply to me.  Pretending that simply moving to the US means you'll have the same risks of getting shot no matter where you go or what circumstances you place yourself in is just silly.  People who use statistics while willfully ignoring context are usually just trying to pound home an agenda.

And, yeah, I was wrong about the size comparison, I thought the US was larger with the addition of Alaska.  You want to be an asshole about it with more "takes how long to open Google" comments then feel free.  

I always hate people from other countries telling us how dangerous it is to live in the US.

This isn't like I need to stay away from a dangerous neighborhood. For most Americans, it's you need to not drive 5 hours straight to get to just the city, then go out of your way to find the dangerous part that you would have zero reason to go to as everything you would want in the city would be available somewhere else. 

That is where 99% of all gun related deaths, not counting suicides happen. Like .001% of the entire US is a no go zone. One would have to make it their goal to be in those areas, to ever be in those areas. And it's not like you are surprised. You would happily take your baby out on a walk in the stroller in the rest of the 99.999% of the US, and know damn well that you don't even want to drive your car as fast as you can through those .001% areas. 

You're starting to toss out a lot of numbers without any links. Anything to back that up?

Studies I've found don't seem to indicate this massive divide where almost all gun homicides are in urban areas. In a study of Washington state gun deaths in 2000 they found that the rate of gun deaths were greater by about 50% in rural areas (15 vs 10 per 100000) but that the urban areas had about 50% more deaths caused by homicide than the rural areas (18% vs 28%) so the rate of gun homicides were roughly equal.

https://www.jabfm.org/content/jabfp/14/2/107.full.pdf

Another study I found in California found that while there was a difference in gun homicide rates in the years up to 2015 that the rates in urban areas had declined such that the two were equal. 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1047279718300425?via%3Dihub

If you have any larger studies of the US I would be interested to hear about them. 

Last edited by Torillian - on 06 August 2019

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