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DonFerrari said: 
Mr Puggsly said:

Well yeah... the point is visual compromises will be made but they claim the gameplay will be the same.

Were mid gen upgraded needed? No. But there is evidently enough demand for them, it was also needed to take advantage of 4K TVs which have become popular and decreased in price faster than I expected.

People tend to mock the CPU of 8th gen consoles, but GPUs aren't amazing either. I don't feel the 8th gen was held back by the CPUs, they were pretty much equal. Better CPUs wouldn't have changed much in the 8th gen because graphics was the focus.

Some games took advantage of the superior capabilities of 8th gen consoles to increase the scope of games, but most didn't. AAA games included, it was mostly visual.

I feel GTAV even on last gen was pretty impressive in regard to physics and NPC count, arguably more so than a lot of modern games. Which supports my original argument, better specs doesn't mean most games become more ambitious or increase in scope. And again getting back to point of thread, I don't feel a game like Halo Infinite would really benefit from being Scarlett exclusive, certainly not this far into development.

Arguably the best use of 8th gen specs that the 7th gen couldn't quite duplicate is large MP games like Fortnite and MMOs. However, that may have been more of a RAM limitation. MAG on PS3 was an exception I suppose, but I never played it so I don't have thoughts on it.

Sure there were demand, I bought Pro. Just didn't bought the better HW that X1X is because I mostly am interested in Sony exclusives and the few 3rd party I play wouldn't justify the extra cost. Unfortunatelly I'm not much into FPS or shotters in general where GoW and Halo would certainly be reason enough to buy it.

Of course the GPUs weren't impressive, but the CPU was even lower tier (but balanced for what they wanted on the gen, console games are much more GPU heavy), but needing to keep CPU the same for X1X and Pro (just small improvement to keep the processing for the improved pixel count) made most if not all games very limited.

Games are going to improve graphically, that is a marketing tool. So if the HW don't improve they will have to cut in other areas to keep the graphics improving.

Well the mid gen upgrades came when it was too soon to start a new gen but people wanted better graphics. I'm happy they came and my X1X will likely be a great way to play Halo Infinite.

I disagree, the CPU and GPU are fairly balanced in base hardware. Frankly, much of the bottle neck has been on the GPU which is why resolutions have varied and dynamic resolutions became common. People keep saying the 8th gen CPUs are too limited, but I don't think developers are even pushing its limits. I mean Just Cause 4 shouldn't exist if the CPUs were so limited.

In practice, it seems to me the CPUs in 8th gen consoles had enough power for what developers were generally looking to do. You have a theory and I don't feel evidence supports it.

I don't think graphics are just a marketing tool, its something many gamers care about. The 9th gen consoles will have vastly superior CPUs, but generally that will simply mean more 60 fps games.



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