MS reveal of ballpark of Scarlett

[DonFerrari]

Random_Matt said:
Lockhart could be dumped according to DF.

Haven't heard about it, put the link please.

Pemalite said:

DonFerrari said:

Scarlett has a custom-designed Zen 2 processor from AMD, and it will feature an SSD that will reportedly help to dramatically improve load times and also function as virtual RAM.

Dear god. I can tell people are going to flog that as a selling point in their spec wars comparison.

The original Xbox had the option for developers to use some of the mechanical hard drive storage as "Virtual Ram". - The Xbox One has this capability also, it's not a new concept, it's not a selling point, PC has been doing it for 30+ years.

We know that in console war every piece part can and will be used for marketing and also for comparison between consoles even if the impact in the end is close to nill.

DonFerrari said:

So we have that Scarlet (probably Anaconda version) to be 4x more powerful than X1X, but for some reason a lot of people in VGC say it is impossible PS5 would be 2x more powerful than X1X. Seems like may are in for a surprise.

I agree. I think we can expect a significant step up over the Playstation 4 Pro and Xbox One X consoles, it's going to be significant, especially as next gen seems to be very focused on lighting, shadowing and reflections.
I would be pretty disappointed if we didn't get a significant jump over this gen, even more on the case of Pro that basically just got a pixel count jump (yes I know there are some other minute differences) so for me we are counting about a 10x jump against a base PS4 if Sony cut clean from this gen (BC but no FC) with games improvements to justify it.

trasharmdsister12 said:

Who said it would be impossible for PS5 to be 2x more "powerful" than X1X?I think there's confusion in what was being referred to. Many people don't seem to understand that TFLOPS are not the be all and end all of performance calculation. So some people might be saying 12 TFLOPS are not possible in a console GPU in 2020. I'm not saying they're right or wrong, but that might be what they're trying to communicate but not understanding that a 12 TFLOPS GPU can be more than 2x more powerful than the X1X's GPU by being more efficient in some ways. It could event be less than 2x more powerful if something has gone horribly wrong with the design. lol

Even with Scarlet, saying it's 4x more "powerful" than X1X doesn't say much. 4x more powerful in what way? It's not suddenly going to be a 24 TFLOP GPU. It could be 4x more powerful at certain workloads. They could be talking about the CPU which wouldn't be hard to achieve going from 8 core Jaguar to 8 core Zen 2.

This is why I have been saying that flops is irrelevant on these forums for years. Because it simply is.
Now because we aren't seeing 12-24 Teraflop consoles next gen, people are thinking it's not a big leap in performance... When it actually is a big leap.

Rendering a games world is so much more than just the single precision floating point math that is used.

Random_Matt said:
CPU jump is around 4X, there you are.

Depends on clocks of course, if Microsoft dials the clock-rates on the 8-core Ryzen home (I.E. 3.6Ghz+) - Then I would expect more than just a 4x increase in CPU performance over Jaguar, it's Jaguar, it was a terrible low-end CPU even on release.

But if Microsoft is going conservative with CPU clocks in order to spend more TDP on the GPU part of the chip, then a 4x increase is pretty reasonable I guess, but I would hope for more.
Considering the garbage tier Jaguar is (enough for this gen when respecting its limits) 4x is very mild upgrade.

haxxiy said:

It's 100% certain the GPU won't come nowhere close to 4 times and that was PR speak dude. Based on imprecision and half-truths. Come on. You're coming across as naive if anything.

Depends on the task... Remember this isn't the same Navi GPU that the PC is getting, it's a step up with dedicated Ray Tracing hardware, so Microsoft is likely including the capabilities of the Ray Tracing hardware in it's "performance calculations" so to speak.

jason1637 said:
I think both consoles are going to be very similar spec wise.

Probably a fair assessment. Although Sony has been pretty "mum" on dedicated hardware Ray Tracing, where-as Microsoft has come out and mentioned it, so if Scarlett has hardware Ray Tracing and the Playstation 5 doesn't, that could be a big selling point for the Xbox... And you can bet Microsoft will milk that.

DonFerrari said:

Well I doubt it because I'm pretty sure the CPU for next gen will be much more than 4x stronger than a potato.

My own guesstimate pegged it at around 8-10x, sometimes more depending on instructions being employed.
a more reasonable jump on a gen. Because the CPU for the mid-gen refresh didn't improve significantly. So when we are expecting other aspects to be 8-10x better the CPU would probably accompany.

shikamaru317 said:

They are most likely referring to CPU when they say 4x more powerful than XB1 X. A Ryzen 2 CPU should indeed be about a 4x improvement over last-gen's Jaguars, which were underpowered even at the start of the generation. I wouldn't be expecting more than a 2-2.5x improvement over XB1 X's GPU if I were you, and early analysis of the memory modules on Scarlett's motherboard in the trailer suggest we'll be looking at double the amount of RAM and roughly double the RAM speed.

They made no specific mentions of any components, so we can assume it's overall performance rather than any specific cherry-picked components.

As for the Ram speed, Navi has made improvements to memory compression, so the real-world bandwidth available for the chip isn't a 1:1 comparison.

Mr Puggsly said:

We at least know all the gaming crucial specs are getting a significant upgrade (GPU, CPU, RAM, storage). I would be perfectly content 12TF of GPU power. As long as AAA games are (or more regularly) 1440p-4K with 60 fps, more polish, faster loading, that will be a significant upgrade. I would gladly pay $499 for that.

Probably be a day 1 purchase for me too. Call me keen... Although I think the transition from 8th to 9th gen is going to be an insanely long one sadly.

Replies in bold. The next 12 months will have endless discussion on the expected HW and when they get announced what that will mean in performance on games.

vivster said:
Could've just been marketing math. CPU twice as good, GPU twice as good, baaaam, 4 times as good.

Not impossible, we have seem marketing doing this type of creative math in the past.

Barozi said:

DonFerrari said:

From what I read the 4x over XB1X, SSD, Zen2, etc was official information gave by MS on presentation.

In the E3 video they were talking about the CPU, showed footage of the CPU and immediately afterwards said "4 times more powerful than Xbox One X".


https://youtu.be/0AVUdNY0jDQ?t=2m

I don't know how so many people (including tons of gaming journalists) got that wrong.

Got it. Well then that is trully PR BS. Because the potato CPU of gen 8 being 4x stronger next gen will be an even weaker potato.